TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[Bob Owens]

It was more like GP thought he would get an Int'l spot by backing Lombardo. The fact is he got outplayed again. 

That's a lie and there are 12 other witnesses, who were there when Lombardo offered Gary an International spot, Gary turned him down and asked instead that they meet to settle the lawsuit by putting things in place so we don't get screwed again. Lombardo demanded an unconditional withdrawl of the lawsuit. Said withdraw the lawsuit, then he will talk. 

 

[Bob Owens]

Dave on August 28, 2014 at 7:36 am
The good thing about the Association is we will have to Harmonize the 2 CBA’s. That will fast track us into Contract Negotiations now, it will happen this year. Why sit 4 more years on this Bankruptcy agreement? When AA acquired TWA they became TWU, this caused the TWA IAM CBA to drop when they became members of the TWU. Organized Labor should not fight amongst themselves especially while under a Bankruptcy Agreement.
As for reduced pension for retiring early read the AA SPD we lose 3% a year capping at 15% if we retire at age 55. I am confused by the statement “Held hostage by our Pension Plans and never be able to get out”. Bankruptcy froze our Pension Plan. The TWU is trying to thaw the ice and get us back into a pension fund. The IAM pension Fund is one of the top pension funds in the country, currently funded ad 106%.
That's a response to a 514 member regarding the alliance by an E board member now you can see what we are up against in TUL

Guess they never heard of an airline called "United", they have been in negotiations for three years for a Joint agreement, sure it may put us "on a "fast track" to negotiations but it wont put us on a fast track to a settlement, why would AA agree to anything when the IAM just signed a deal that leaves us all at the bottom of the industry till 2018?  The IAM didnt even seek what UAL and Delta are getting now. That's just pathetic. 

 

[1AA]

That's a lie and there are 12 other witnesses, who were there when Lombardo offered Gary an International spot, Gary turned him down and asked instead that they meet to settle the lawsuit by putting things in place so we don't get screwed again. Lombardo demanded an unconditional withdrawl of the lawsuit. Said withdraw the lawsuit, then he will talk. 

Thank you Bob for backing my previous post on this issue.

 

[Bob Owens]

 
 
I hope you don't believe your own BS. Did Peterson tell you that,

I was there, as well as 12 others, including Gary Santos who is not an AMFA supporter, Lombardo made the offer several times, drop the lawsuit and he would give him an International spot.

 

[1AA]

 
 
I hope you don't believe your own BS. Did Peterson tell you that, or did you get from the third stool on the left?
 
You AMFA clones are really getting desperate!

Time for a Reality Check, See posts
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57325-twu-and-iam-representation-alliance-vote/?p=1113587
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57325-twu-and-iam-representation-alliance-vote/?p=1113592

 

[Overspeed]

Let me reiterate, GP got played. He and the rest of the hate Little/Int'l/AMFA lover team are bargaining with someone who has been playing the political game a lot longer than you. Even Bob said Lombardo said he would "talk" about and Int'l position.
 
On the TUL AO side I am not surprised 757 checks are dropping. They are being retired like mad over the next year and being replaced with new A321s. MD80s? Well I'm surprised you haven't heard...AA ordered a bunch of new planes to replace older high maintenance MD80s.
 
Fact is overhaul demand is falling for now.
 
The Association will go through. After reading the IAM letter it seems they have educated their members well and won't tolerate lies and BS. I saw the TWU signed on but Lombardo needs to come out and do the same with the 591 officers.

 

[TWU informer]

Let me reiterate, GP got played. He and the rest of the hate Little/Int'l/AMFA lover team are bargaining with someone who has been playing the political game a lot longer than you. Even Bob said Lombardo said he would "talk" about and Int'l position.
 
On the TUL AO side I am not surprised 757 checks are dropping. They are being retired like mad over the next year and being replaced with new A321s. MD80s? Well I'm surprised you haven't heard...AA ordered a bunch of new planes to replace older high maintenance MD80s.
 
Fact is overhaul demand is falling for now.
 
The Association will go through. After reading the IAM letter it seems they have educated their members well and won't tolerate lies and BS. I saw the TWU signed on but Lombardo needs to come out and do the same with the 591 officers.

 
You are assuming that everyone is a sheep like you and whatever the IAM or TWU says that the member will follow. We will see you could be right. But, I think the credibility of both leaderships are weak these days.

 

[TRAVIS]

Guess they never heard of an airline called "United", they have been in negotiations for three years for a Joint agreement, sure it may put us "on a "fast track" to negotiations but it wont put us on a fast track to a settlement, why would AA agree to anything when the IAM just signed a deal that leaves us all at the bottom of the industry till 2018?  The IAM didnt even seek what UAL and Delta are getting now. That's just pathetic. 

I voted NO! What I can't understand is why the ones who voted yes didn't see this! Makes me spitting mad!!! And to top it off have some non-airline BOZO tell me how good I have it.
That's just pathetic!
 
Have a blessed night BOB 

 

[MetalMover]

Let me reiterate, GP got played. He and the rest of the hate Little/Int'l/AMFA lover team are bargaining with someone who has been playing the political game a lot longer than you. Even Bob said Lombardo said he would "talk" about and Int'l position.
 
On the TUL AO side I am not surprised 757 checks are dropping. They are being retired like mad over the next year and being replaced with new A321s. MD80s? Well I'm surprised you haven't heard...AA ordered a bunch of new planes to replace older high maintenance MD80s.
 
Fact is overhaul demand is falling for now.
 
The Association will go through. After reading the IAM letter it seems they have educated their members well and won't tolerate lies and BS. I saw the TWU signed on but Lombardo needs to come out and do the same with the 591 officers.

Pretty slick the way you mention the diminishing need of OH based solely on the arrival of new aircraft as a means of giving the TWU a pass. As if they played no part in the destruction of the aircraft mechanics class.
I guess the TWU had no part in loss of mechanic jobs to line cargo...Deicing and push backs?
I guess the TWU had no part in the creation of the B scale!
I guess the TWU had no part in the elimination of building cleaners!
I guess the TWU had no part in the creation of OSMs and SRPS!
Incidentally the above mentioned HAPPENED WAAAAAY BEFORE BANKRUPTCY!

 

[WeAAsles]

Pretty slick the way you mention the diminishing need of OH based solely on the arrival of new aircraft as a means of giving the TWU a pass. As if they played no part in the destruction of the aircraft mechanics class.
I guess the TWU had no part in loss of mechanic jobs to line cargo...Deicing and push backs?
I guess the TWU had no part in the creation of the B scale!
I guess the TWU had no part in the elimination of building cleaners!
I guess the TWU had no part in the creation of OSMs and SRPS!
Incidentally the above mentioned HAPPENED WAAAAAY BEFORE BANKRUPTCY!

Aren't your Local presidents the one's who go and negotiate for you? Aren't they the one's who accept recommendations from the members? Aren't they the one's who bring back a TA and aren't the members ultimately the ones who vote yes or no?

Prior to the concessions of 03 and the bankruptcy these item were voted on and accepted by the majority of those who voted. They did not need to be accepted by the membership but they ultimately were. Sometimes people should look in the mirror and fault themselves and not always try and lay blame on others.

I just did some archive research. It's very difficult to find things on the net that predate 1995. The New York Times seems to be about the only source. So who voted this in and why?

"The current contract, reached by American and the union in March 1983, has become a benchmark for other carriers in their efforts to bring down labor costs and compete with low-fare nonunion lines. In return for wage increases of 21 percent over three years and guarantees of full-time jobs until retirement for most T.W.U. workers, American could hire new workers at pay scales 32 percent below those then in effect, could hire part-time workers to make up 12.5 percent of the work force, and could shift workers into different jobs."

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/04/30/us/bonus-not-raise-in-airline-accord.html

 

[WeAAsles]

Who voted this one in? I know in Fleet this brought in the wonderful idea of junior FSC. $10.00 per hour top out in 9 years. So what and who did you guys in maintenance who voted yes for this sell out for?

Published: August 15, 1995

 

"The tentative agreement between American Airlines Inc. and the Transport Workers Union -- a pact that would include a temporary wage-scale freeze and an early retirement package -- would provide substantial savings for the airline, a spokesman for the airline's parent, the AMR Corporation, said."

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/15/business/american-airlines-in-tentative-union-pact.html

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Who voted this one in? I know in Fleet this brought in the wonderful idea of junior FSC. $10.00 per hour top out in 9 years. So what and who did you guys in maintenance who voted yes for this sell out for?

Published: August 15, 1995

 

"The tentative agreement between American Airlines Inc. and the Transport Workers Union -- a pact that would include a temporary wage-scale freeze and an early retirement package -- would provide substantial savings for the airline, a spokesman for the airline's parent, the AMR Corporation, said."

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/15/business/american-airlines-in-tentative-union-pact.html

$10.00? I wish. I had to start at $7.00

 

[iluvaa]

I'm an A&P mechanic and I started at $9.00

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd like to hear from some people who were around for both those TA's that I posted who have the guts to admit that they voted yes on them. Any takers?

I hired on in May of 95. Had a ton of old farts trying to get me to vote yes on the 95 contract the second I walked in the door of the company. I didn't vote because I was new and had no clue what any of it really meant and just wanted to work.

I voted YES in 01. Told a former Junior friend that I was voting yes but if I were him I would vote no. They were slotted over on the payscale rather than being placed at the scale that coincided with their years in the company. It took guys who hired on in late 95, 14 years total to top out where I topped out in 8 years. 6 years longer than me and I hired on only 5 months before the contract was ratified.

I didn't vote in 03. My thought was if the company was going to mug me they could take my wallet out of my pocket themselves. The gun was at the back of my head and I couldn't see the bullets.

I was going to vote NO on the TA we had just prior to the BK.

I voted YES on the BK contract. I saw a loaded gun pointed at my face and I handed over my wallet.

I bet I won't get any honest injuns on this thread? <_< 

 

[Overspeed]

The B scale concept was not created by the TWU. The APA at AA brought in the exact same thing and AMFA counsel Martin Seham bragged about negotiating the B scale in for the pilots. Get your facts straight.
 
Deicing and pushbacks have been done by other AMTs at many airlines around the same time as the TWU. It was post deregulation.
 
The TWU Int'l had been trying to bring the building cleaners over to the higher wage Title III wage scale but their brothers and sisters in Title III were against it. The 2010 TA was going to move them over to the higher wage utility pay scale but we the membership voted that down too. We are the membership and WE voted to screw them.
 
The OSM/SRP classification was and is an attempt to hang on to jobs in-house at wages higher than those people would be making at low wage MROs. Plus it provides and place to bump if you get laid off as an AMT. Also the other unions eventually decided overhaul jobs of any kind would be better off being outsourced entirely which means making zero pay versus making much more plus earning seniority and the ability to transfer to a higher wage AMT job.