TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[cheetah]

I'll send you pictures if you like?

 

[700UW]

http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/08/28/iamtwu-association-responds-to-peterson-letter/

 

[bigjets]

AFW and MCI were closed because AA did not need the capacity anymore. AA was almost the same size it is today in the early 1990s and had only TULE. No union can force a company to maintain facilities that it no longer needs. Even with job security clauses, attrition without backfills would allow the company to reduce head count.
 
Outsourcing did not start with the TWU. Check your facts. Continental started that under Lorenzo.
 
TWU had the worst CBA in the last ten years? Yeah you're right. The NWA imposed CBA was so much better in 2004. So was the CBA that was negotiated in BK at UA when they sent all but three lines of airframe overhaul to China, Korea, and US MROs. So were all those CBAs that did away with pension credited service while the TWU CBA kept that flowing until BK.

AA does not need the capacity of MCI and AFW anymore because AA is outsourcing OH of the 767,777,787,757 and other mod work like cabin seats. Don't try and spin the truth. You're like a politician who refuses to admit the truth, and that's why nobody takes what you and the politicians say seriously. Most of us have been working at AA decades, we know what has happened here why would you distort the facts.

 

[Overspeed]

When MCI closed AA was not outsourcing any of those fleets you mentioned
 
The 787 hasn't even been delivered and doesn't need a C Check for 12 years after delivery
 
MCE mods have been outsourced as you say
 
There are 60 757 & 767 C1 and C2's scheduled for next year in TUL per the plan I saw. Do you have better info? Isn't TUL inundated with 737 acceptance checks replacing old MD80s? Between 737 and MD80s there are over 200 C Checks scheduled. Ask your manager to see the dock plan. Of course that would mean armed with that knowledge you'd know your wrong. TUL has a ton of work to do. Much more than any other airline is doing today even after AA went through BK.
 
Your "facts" don't stand up to your claim of only three C check lines

 

[Overspeed]

Interesting that the IAM has the guts to publicly call out Local 591 on it's BS.

 

[cheetah]

You would be a fool to believe the "dock plans" they change weekly, already they pulled an 80 heavy line, the rest of 5c 757s are no longer coming in the new 737 heavy is still a maybe, if you work here walk the hangers then tell me I'm wrong.

 

[TWU informer]

Interesting that the IAM has the guts to publicly call out Local 591 on it's BS.

Also interesting that the IAM also claims the TWU International is "THE UNION", just like the TWU believes. And therein is the flaw.
 
The members of Industrial Unions are nothing more than "dues money", which is what the battle is over. Not my best interest, but the best interest of the insitutional dues collector.

 

[cheetah]

Also I thought we were talking about overhauls, AKA heavies.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Interesting that the IAM has the guts to publicly call out Local 591 on it's BS.

No.  What is BS is the thought that the international can ignore the locals and do what they want.  The locals should all get together and sue the international but the local 514 would never be involved because it would benefit the membership. 

 

[1AA]

591 has a lawsuit filed for a DFR. The international is dragging it's feet hoping it will go away. The international even went as far as offering the president of 591 a position in the international if he would drop the lawsuit. Lawsuit is still moving forward. Guess he can't be bribed.

 

[Realityck]

591 has a lawsuit filed for a DFR. The international is dragging it's feet hoping it will go away. The international even went as far as offering the president of 591 a position in the international if he would drop the lawsuit. Lawsuit is still moving forward. Guess he can't be bribed.

 
 
I hope you don't believe your own BS. Did Peterson tell you that, or did you get from the third stool on the left?
 
You AMFA clones are really getting desperate!

 

[Overspeed]

It was more like GP thought he would get an Int'l spot by backing Lombardo. The fact is he got outplayed again. Just like when he put in for AA management and was rejected...three times.

 

[TWU informer]

It was more like GP thought he would get an Int'l spot by backing Lombardo. The fact is he got outplayed again. Just like when he put in for AA management and was rejected...three times.

Time to resort to personal attacks.
Anyone that doesn't conform to the TWU party line and porper kool-aid flavor of the month, must be personally destroyed by negative political attacks.

 

[iluvaa]

Dave on August 28, 2014 at 7:36 am
The good thing about the Association is we will have to Harmonize the 2 CBA’s. That will fast track us into Contract Negotiations now, it will happen this year. Why sit 4 more years on this Bankruptcy agreement? When AA acquired TWA they became TWU, this caused the TWA IAM CBA to drop when they became members of the TWU. Organized Labor should not fight amongst themselves especially while under a Bankruptcy Agreement.
As for reduced pension for retiring early read the AA SPD we lose 3% a year capping at 15% if we retire at age 55. I am confused by the statement “Held hostage by our Pension Plans and never be able to get out”. Bankruptcy froze our Pension Plan. The TWU is trying to thaw the ice and get us back into a pension fund. The IAM pension Fund is one of the top pension funds in the country, currently funded ad 106%.
That's a response to a 514 member regarding the alliance by an E board member now you can see what we are up against in TUL

 

[Bob Owens]

You would be a fool to believe the "dock plans" they change weekly, already they pulled an 80 heavy line, the rest of 5c 757s are no longer coming in the new 737 heavy is still a maybe, if you work here walk the hangers then tell me I'm wrong.

Agree, I recall during Negotiations when they did the "White Spaces" scare, claiming that they needed concessions so they could charge low prices and fill up all the white spaces on the Dock plan with 3P work, then the Don Videtich show kicked in with support from Gilboy and Luis about how we had to show the 6th floor that we were serious about helping them fill the white spaces, those things change all the time, Videtich claimed it was written in stone.  I said it was BS and a few months later I was proven right when, having failed with the White spaces scheme, the company claimed that the docks were full till 2015.