TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[ThirdSeatHero]

And again how will you vote no if the NMB determines that no election needs to take place?

The NMB is Government you know. National Mediation Board.

 
I seriously doubt the NMB would put themselves in the legal spotlight that would most certainly ensue if they tried to certify the Alliance without a vote of the affected memberships.
 
Two certifications are being removed and a new one created - to deny a vote after the most recent history on BOTH AA & US shows the memberships are not happy with current representation,nevermind the clear violation of their own posted procedures would almost certainly produce a lawsuit.

 

[1AA]

And how will you vote no if the NMB determines that no election will need to take place?

Question number 5 on the Q&A released to members May 13, 2013 of both union says we will vote on the alliance. Why would the alliance change their mind and say No vote?
 
5.  Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
 
A: YES. following the completion of the American - US AIrways' merger, the associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

 

[dfw gen]

Question number 5 on the Q&A released to members May 13, 2013 of both union says we will vote on the alliance. Why would the alliance change their mind and say No vote?
 
5.  Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
 
A: YES. following the completion of the American - US AIrways' merger, the associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
 
they think they will lose?

 

[Duke787]

Does anybody else feel like you're dealing with a bully? Vote YES or else.

 

[MetalMover]

 
I seriously doubt the NMB would put themselves in the legal spotlight that would most certainly ensue if they tried to certify the Alliance without a vote of the affected memberships.
 
Two certifications are being removed and a new one created - to deny a vote after the most recent history on BOTH AA & US shows the memberships are not happy with current representation,nevermind the clear violation of their own posted procedures would almost certainly produce a lawsuit.

AMFA!

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I seriously doubt the NMB would put themselves in the legal spotlight that would most certainly ensue if they tried to certify the Alliance without a vote of the affected memberships.
 
Two certifications are being removed and a new one created - to deny a vote after the most recent history on BOTH AA & US shows the memberships are not happy with current representation,nevermind the clear violation of their own posted procedures would almost certainly produce a lawsuit.

You're ignoring both the response that SWAMT got from the NMB and what 700 has been telling you that the NMB has set precedence before in just certifying the bargaining representatives without a vote.

As for any lawsuits, your suit would wind up being against the entity that made the determination that an election was not required which would be the NMB. The NMB again is Government. Of course you can sue the Government but that's an extremely expensive process and it could take many years to come to a final decision on the merits of your suit? There are plenty of lawyers out there willing to take your money though. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Does anybody else feel like you're dealing with a bully? Vote YES or else.

Who's the bully? The government set the procedures. If a vote comes to pass the choices will be:

Association
No Union
Write in vote

If an intervenor gets enough cards signed they can get their name on that ballot. That's all that's about is getting enough cards signed so your choice can have their name showing. You can always write in that choice which is the same thing.

 

[MetalMover]

Who's the bully? The government set the procedures. If a vote comes to pass the choices will be:

Association
No Union
Write in vote

If an intervenor gets enough cards signed they can get their name on that ballot. That's all that's about is getting enough cards signed so your choice can have their name showing. You can always write in that choice which is the same thing.

I'm gonna practice:  A M F A !

 

[WeAAsles]

Question number 5 on the Q&A released to members May 13, 2013 of both union says we will vote on the alliance. Why would the alliance change their mind and say No vote?

I don't think anyone changed there minds. Although you guys are always looking for the conspiracy it could be just as simple as they didn't know that there "MIGHT" be a "POSSIBILITY" that an election doesn't have to occur.

The NMB is going to be the one who makes that decision and we'll move forward from there.
 
 
5.  Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
 
A: YES. following the completion of the American - US AIrways' merger, the associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

 

[MetalMover]

 

Question number 5 on the Q&A released to members May 13, 2013 of both union says we will vote on the alliance. Why would the alliance change their mind and say No vote?

I don't think anyone changed there minds. Although you guys are always looking for the conspiracy it could be just as simple as they didn't know that there "MIGHT" be a "POSSIBILITY" that an election doesn't have to occur.

The NMB is going to be the one who makes that decision and we'll move forward from there.
 
 
5.  Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
 
A: YES. following the completion of the American - US AIrways' merger, the associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

 

Well, if there is NO election....Any AMFA fence sitters might just make sure they vote AMFA next time around. 
Unions are quick to complain to the government when companies interfere with a union vote or try to deny a vote. I guess it's ok for unions to deny its members a vote. 

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm gonna practice:  A M F A !

The write in option by nature has a very slim chance of winning. People usually buy the name brand on their supermarket shelves over the generic. I mean do you usually buy Budweiser or a white can that just says "BEER"

Anyway another thought is does your write in choice actually want to represent you? They are not required by law to do so. Let's say everyone wrote in SAG (Screen Actors Guild) for the debates sake. I'm sure that SAG would be notified of our interest in them after a vote. But I very much doubt that SAG would sign on to be our bargaining representative? 

 

[cheetah]

If I am correct we only have 3 heavy lines left in tule, two 737s and an md 80 (but not for long) so that's less then delta, united and southwest, what have we got to lose? NO TO THE ALLIANCE!

 

[WeAAsles]

Well, if there is NO election....Any AMFA fence sitters might just make sure they vote AMFA next time around. 
Unions are quick to complain to the government when companies interfere with a union vote or try to deny a vote. I guess it's ok for unions to deny its members a vote. 

Right now at this moment the conversation is just in the realm of possibilities. Question marks. The NMB is the one who has to make the determination as to what comes next. The best bet for you guys is to continue on as if you still will have a ballot sitting in front of you to have to make a choice.

If the association is certified though it will be another 2 years before you can submit cards to change unions. And IF the association winds up getting a very good or even great JCBA you can pretty much put a fork in any future changeovers for representation.

 

[1AA]

Funny how if we want to change union representation we have to follow the NMB rules and if there are any error the unions will be the first to complain. The situation here is no different. At some stations AA members under the TWU will no longer be represented by the TWU and the IAM will be representing them at that location. The same goes for USAir stations being represented by the IAM will have the TWU represent them. That is a change of representation and all will be done by just handing over documentation to the NMB to recognize these changes without a vote of showing interest from the members. If the NMB allows this then it would be a game changer. The NMB would have to review their rules and make changes. The real winners here are the unions that do not want to lose money and the AFL-CIO. So if a company buys another company and two unions are on the floor all they have to do is submit documents to keep both unions and form an alliance. Change of representation can occur for certain work groups under the new alliance without a vote by the members, If we on the other hand want to change union representation we have to go through the card signing process to change that same representation. I just can not see this happening without some kind of deal being made between the unions and the NMB.
People need to understand that this is being thrown at us without any input from the dues paying members. It is obvious most of the members want no part of this alliance. Totally unbelievable. Think what precedence this will set for future mergers if the NMB allows it. It takes away the democratic process of voting. The TWU /IAM have become a Communistic,Fascist and Dictatorship union. We really have no say anymore.
 
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

 

[MetalMover]

The write in option by nature has a very slim chance of winning. People usually buy the name brand on their supermarket shelves over the generic. I mean do you usually buy Budweiser or a white can that just says "BEER"

Anyway another thought is does your write in choice actually want to represent you? They are not required by law to do so. Let's say everyone wrote in SAG (Screen Actors Guild) for the debates sake. I'm sure that SAG would be notified of our interest in them after a vote. But I very much doubt that SAG would sign on to be our bargaining representative? 

Then I will be voting NO to the alliance.