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TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

Will you vote in a TWU and IAM representation alliance? (A/C maint. only)


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LOL yes it is what it is.
Yes 55+ an have two years in IAM retirement.
and the only reason both agreed to an arbitrator it's because they did not want AMFA to get in.
Agreed next LOL
 
OldBubba said:
LOL yes it is what it is.
Yes 55+ an have two years in IAM retirement.
and the only reason both agreed to an arbitrator it's because they did not want AMFA to get in.
Agreed next LOL
AMFA Wrong. Legal Language, correct.
 
TWA and American Airlines. In early 2001, TWA, then in bankruptcy, and American Airlines entered into an agreement under which American purchased TWA's assets. TWA's pilots were represented by ALPA, and their CBA required "the fair and equitable seniority integration of employees in the event of a merger or acquisition of TWA." American, whose pilots were represented by the Allied Pilots Association ("APA") and whose CBA required pilots from an acquired carrier to be placed at the bottom of the American seniority list, offered to hire nearly all of TWA's union-represented employees, but only if the TWA-MEC waived their scope and successorship provisions, including the seniority integration provision. Initially, ALPA refused to agree to this request, but after TWA moved to reject its CBA with ALPA under § 1113(c) of the Bankruptcy Code, the MEC consented to the waiver, in exchange for various alternative protections. The deal closed on April 10, 2001.
As an inducement for the waiver, American agreed that it would use its "reasonable best efforts" with APA to secure a fair and equitable process for seniority integration of the American and TWA pilots. But after several months of unsuccessful negotiations between APA and the TWA-MEC, on November 8, 2001, APA and American Airlines executed an agreement that imposed the default seniority integration formula on slightly more than half of the former TWA pilots, giving them American seniority dates of April 10, 2001, while the remainder were placed higher on the list. (TWA flight attendants also largely received April 10, 2001 seniority dates.)
A few months later, the NMB also found that American and TWA were sufficiently integrated to be a single employer for collective bargaining purposes. Dissatisfied TWA pilots then filed suit against the APA, ALPA, American, and TWA LLC for breach of the duty of fair representation. These claims were dismissed in Bensel v. Allied Pilots Ass'n, 271 F. Supp. 2d 616 (D.N.J. 2003), but the Third Circuit resurrected the DFR claim against ALPA on statute of limitations grounds in Bensel v. Allied Pilots Ass'n, 387 F.3d 298 (3d Cir. 2004). In Bensel v. Allied Pilots Ass'n, 675 F. Supp. 2d 493 (D.N.J. 2009), the court denied ALPA's motion for summary judgment.6 As a result, the case remains pending.

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/164186/Aviation/Seniority+Integration+And+The+MccaskillBond+Statute
 
The NLRB has nothing to do with airlines, that would be the NMB and they wouldn't handle it, you would have to sue for DFR.
 
If a clerk aka ramp agent transfers from American Eagle ramp to American ramp do/did they get to kept there seniority for Eagle
 
john john said:
If a clerk aka ramp agent transfers from American Eagle ramp to American ramp do/did they get to kept there seniority for Eagle
Occupational no. Company time yes.
 
john john said:
What about non-union
Non union also. If let's say a passenger service agent wanted to become an FSC, they would start from the bottom of the seniority roster.
 
john john said:
If a clerk aka ramp agent transfers from American Eagle ramp to American ramp do/did they get to kept there seniority for Eagle
 
 
WeAAsles said:
Occupational no. Company time yes.
 
 
john john said:
What about non-union
 
 
WeAAsles said:
Non union also. If let's say a passenger service agent wanted to become an FSC, they would start from the bottom of the seniority roster.
None of these post belong in this thread.  Can we pls get back on topic gentlemen?
 
WeAAsles said:
Non union also. If let's say a passenger service agent wanted to become an FSC, they would start from the bottom of the seniority roster.
 
 
FYI
 
 
When American bought Aircal the seniority integration between the carriers was based on date of hire. However, under Aircal rules an employee could have started in a different classification, yet if he later upgraded to an AMT position for example, his occupational seniority didn’t reflect that but remained the same as his original company seniority date. To address that anomaly, the American rules were applied and he was given the seniority appropriate under the AA-TWU Title 1 occupational seniority rules. The individual wasn’t given credit for service in a different title group when placed on AA’s Title 1 Master Seniority List.
 
swamt said:
None of these post belong in this thread.  Can we pls get back on topic gentlemen?
The poster was asking questions about representation. Of course his questions were appropriate in this thread.
 
Realityck said:
FYI
 
 
When American bought Aircal the seniority integration between the carriers was based on date of hire. However, under Aircal rules an employee could have started in a different classification, yet if he later upgraded to an AMT position for example, his occupational seniority didn’t reflect that but remained the same as his original company seniority date. To address that anomaly, the American rules were applied and he was given the seniority appropriate under the AA-TWU Title 1 occupational seniority rules. The individual wasn’t given credit for service in a different title group when placed on AA’s Title 1 Master Seniority List.
Thanks Reality. Many things I never understood about the Air Cal issue as it was before I hired on.
 
swamt said:
 
 
 
 
 
 
None of these post belong in this thread.  Can we pls get back on topic gentlemen?
Hey swamt, don't even go there. You and a "few" of your AMFA buddies have a habit
of turning all topics one way or another into a AMFA topic...As far as I am concerned,
all topics are "open" topics!
 
swamt said:
 
 
 
 
 
 
None of these post belong in this thread.  Can we pls get back on topic gentlemen?
 
 
 
You know what’s hilarious swamt?
 
            - You are obviously a SWA employee
            - You’re also a fully brainwashed AMFA apologist
            - If anything, you shouldn’t even be commenting on a TWU/IAM
                  Representation Alliance thread since seniority integration issues are
                appropriate, whereas your thinly disguised AMFA ranting is not
           
However, in deference to AANOTOK ‘s comment, feel free to continue which you probably will
do anyway since you’ve attempted to subvert every other thread on this site!
 
Realityck said:
 
 
 
You know what’s hilarious swamt?
 
            - You are obviously a SWA employee
            - You’re also a fully brainwashed AMFA apologist
            - If anything, you shouldn’t even be commenting on a TWU/IAM
                  Representation Alliance thread since seniority integration issues are
                appropriate, whereas your thinly disguised AMFA ranting is not
           
However, in deference to AANOTOK ‘s comment, feel free to continue which you probably will
do anyway since you’ve attempted to subvert every other thread on this site!
Wrong again Realityck.  Just pointing out the facts. Not brainwashed, just educated...
 
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