Tulsa Manager Bonuses?

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Rumor has it an individual in the turbine building was visited by HR in regard to how he found out about a huge bonus payout($39,000)to his manager. I don't know about everyone else on base, but I have no problem with my manager getting 78,000% more than the $50 American Express card I got and am curious why HR would care if anyone knew. :huh:

You guys keep up the good work. His bonus next year should be just as large. You keep giving they keep taking.

 

[Hopeful]

Keep up the good work Tulsa!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep helping AMR to make hundreds of millions so you can get a BBQ sandwich and a $50 AIP payout!

Just keep doing whatever it takes to ensure that TULSA never gets touched!

 

[TWU informer]

Keep up the good work Tulsa!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep helping AMR to make hundreds of millions so you can get a BBQ sandwich and a $50 AIP payout!

Just keep doing whatever it takes to ensure that TULSA never gets touched!

I am not sure what you mean by "never gets touched", but if that is a very negative thing, wouldn't you do whatever it takes to prevent "getting touched" if you worked there?

Your post indicates the alternative would be to shoot your own foot off.

Or even better, stand there with a gun to your own head and scream "One More Step and Stupid Gets It"!

Please explain what you mean Hopeful.

 

[Bill]

Your post indicates the alternative would be to shoot your own foot off.

Or even better, stand there with a gun to your own head and scream "One More Step and Stupid Gets It"!

Hmmmm.....this seems to be the opinion of many on these boards. Why pick on Hopeful???? Go back and read some of the posts....ones from Owens, Hackman a few others. It's the "ME ME ME" factor.


Not to mention they think Tulsa sucks!!!

 

[Hopeful]

I am not sure what you mean by "never gets touched", but if that is a very negative thing, wouldn't you do whatever it takes to prevent "getting touched" if you worked there?

Your post indicates the alternative would be to shoot your own foot off.

Or even better, stand there with a gun to your own head and scream "One More Step and Stupid Gets It"!

Please explain what you mean Hopeful.

I'd be more than happy to explain!

The voting numbers in TULSA alone are more than enough to vote in and vote down any contract! The line stations cannot "out-vote" Tulsa. TULSA could care less what happens to the line stations and vice versa... Whatever benefits TUL even at the expense of the line stations is what is going to pass. The line stations are helpless.

Do you need any further explanation?

 

[TWU informer]

I'd be more than happy to explain!

The voting numbers in TULSA alone are more than enough to vote in and vote down any contract! The line stations cannot "out-vote" Tulsa. TULSA could care less what happens to the line stations and vice versa... Whatever benefits TUL even at the expense of the line stations is what is going to pass. The line stations are helpless.

Do you need any further explanation?

OK, So what should the TULSA crowd do then? Agree to outsource their jobs to save you at the line? That will NOT happen.

Another one that I cannot figure out is how you intend to change this problem by attacking and mocking those in Tulsa. You should really try to educate them about exactly what it is you need, rather than attack them.

I work here in Tulsa, and I am very concerned about the line mechanics well being, but the more I read your post, the more I figure why should I do anything to save you because you would damn sure vote to get rid of me!

YES, Please explain your thinking further so that I might know my own limits when it comes to taking a stand.

Instead of just attacking with innuendo, I will offer a solution.

Contract Proposal

1. Offer Early Out option to retire the large number of aged folks on the defined pension plan. A (3 and 3) 3 years age, 3 years seniority would probably dump the mother load into retirement quickly.

2. Offer an increase in pension benefit formula to the TWA mechanic so that they can afford to leave.

3. Close MCI and offer full seniority to those few that will choose not to retire after #2 is implemented. Sell this overhaul base.

4. Offer wage and benefit increase to the unretired mechanics possibly including stock options since the company doesnt seem to count those as cash offerings, we could gain substantially by this method.

5. Offer Line Premium pay that will be worthwhile and offset high cost of living areas.

6. To fund cost of the above, create a new classification whereby new hires are no longer offered the defined pension but rather a 401(k) matching fund. And once again lenghten the time to top-scale pay. Through attrition, allow those that already have the defined pension to retire with that plan. Eventually the defined plan will no longer have a liability. But remove the defined plan from no employee.

7. Offer a length of agreement that will allow AA to purchase and replace the MD-80 Fleet. As retired personell are replaced, the CASM will average down. The faster you hire workers the faster your average CASM will drop. Lower CASM equals higher yield.


Now this may sound like 1983 all over again, and it does to me also, but I fear the alternative is not a win,win for all involved. It is obvious to me that the carriers that wnet through BK have a cost advantage over AA. We must find a way to make gains, and reduce those cost at the same time. And we have lived through this type of plan once with sustained growth, we can do it again. Everyone seems to respect Crandall, let's do his previous plan again with a twist on pensions.

Also, it should be noted that I do not have access to the books and exact cost figures, so this is a general proposal. Also, I am no financial wizard so go easy on your response to this. I am simply a middle age worker concerned that our future is a stake in the next negotiations, and having a knock down drag out battle with the corporation is not in our best interest or theirs.

 

[Hopeful]

OK, So what should the TULSA crowd do then? Agree to outsource their jobs to save you at the line? That will NOT happen.

Another one that I cannot figure out is how you intend to change this problem by attacking and mocking those in Tulsa. You should really try to educate them about exactly what it is you need, rather than attack them.

I work here in Tulsa, and I am very concerned about the line mechanics well being, but the more I read your post, the more I figure why should I do anything to save you because you would damn sure vote to get rid of me!

YES, Please explain your thinking further so that I might know my own limits when it comes to taking a stand.

Instead of just attacking with innuendo, I will offer a solution.

Contract Proposal

1. Offer Early Out option to retire the large number of aged folks on the defined pension plan. A (3 and 3) 3 years age, 3 years seniority would probably dump the mother load into retirement quickly.

2. Offer an increase in pension benefit formula to the TWA mechanic so that they can afford to leave.

3. Close MCI and offer full seniority to those few that will choose not to retire after #2 is implemented. Sell this overhaul base.

4. Offer wage and benefit increase to the unretired mechanics possibly including stock options since the company doesnt seem to count those as cash offerings, we could gain substantially by this method.

5. Offer Line Premium pay that will be worthwhile and offset high cost of living areas.

6. To fund cost of the above, create a new classification whereby new hires are no longer offered the defined pension but rather a 401(k) matching fund. And once again lenghten the time to top-scale pay. Through attrition, allow those that already have the defined pension to retire with that plan. Eventually the defined plan will no longer have a liability. But remove the defined plan from no employee.

7. Offer a length of agreement that will allow AA to purchase and replace the MD-80 Fleet. As retired personell are replaced, the CASM will average down. The faster you hire workers the faster your average CASM will drop. Lower CASM equals higher yield.
Now this may sound like 1983 all over again, and it does to me also, but I fear the alternative is not a win,win for all involved. It is obvious to me that the carriers that wnet through BK have a cost advantage over AA. We must find a way to make gains, and reduce those cost at the same time. And we have lived through this type of plan once with sustained growth, we can do it again. Everyone seems to respect Crandall, let's do his previous plan again with a twist on pensions.

Also, it should be noted that I do not have access to the books and exact cost figures, so this is a general proposal. Also, I am no financial wizard so go easy on your response to this. I am simply a middle age worker concerned that our future is a stake in the next negotiations, and having a knock down drag out battle with the corporation is not in our best interest or theirs.

Let's look at a few things!


The whole TWU/AA lovefest is even being given media time. First on the CNN special and now on Katie Curic. But they only show TULSA as if no other people and places exist!
They make it seem that only the TULSA employees are the ones that count and the ones making sacrifices.

My problem with TULSA is that YOU GUYS, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US have taken it in the shorts but you don't seem to be annoyed that the executives are sharing in millions of dollars and all you get is a pat on the back and a BBQ sandwich.
DO YOU NOT FIND IT INSULTING THAT THEY ARE REAPING MILLIONS AND ALL YOU GET IS A DAMN LUNCH AND AIP PAYOUT?



Also, where did I mocK you? The BBQ comment?
Re read my post! All i said was that is good for TULSA is what passes!

DO YOU DENY THAT? DO YOU DENY THAT THE SHEAR NUMBERS IN TULSA CAN PASS ANY PRO COMPANY CONTRACT?
I do not belittle the TUL folks for doing what's best for them. But you guys hold the cards and that's a fact of life.

Would you care to compare TULSA's average home price, property taxes, utility costs? home insurance? car insurance? would you care to compare those costs to mine in NY? to LA and SFO? Chicago? And please don't don't respond with the usual "Why don't you move?" or "MOve to TULSA" answers. We have families and lives and cannot just pick up and go wherever it's cheaper to live.

Let me ask you this:
Would you have a problem with the line stations getting a nice regional adjustment in our salary?


Another point I would like to mention. It is a good thing that AA is not outsourcing jobs. It is a good thing to make $500 million a year more in maintenance savings and contract work. But how much revenue do you think is made at the line stations in terms of passenger revenue? Billions!

 

[TWU informer]

Let's look at a few things!
The whole TWU/AA lovefest is even being given media time. First on the CNN special and now on Katie Curic. But they only show TULSA as if no other people and places exist!
They make it seem that only the TULSA employees are the ones that count and the ones making sacrifices.

My problem with TULSA is that YOU GUYS, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US have taken it in the shorts but you don't seem to be annoyed that the executives are sharing in millions of dollars and all you get is a pat on the back and a BBQ sandwich.
DO YOU NOT FIND IT INSULTING THAT THEY ARE REAPING MILLIONS AND ALL YOU GET IS A DAMN LUNCH AND AIP PAYOUT?
Also, where did I mocK you? The BBQ comment?
Re read my post! All i said was that is good for TULSA is what passes!

DO YOU DENY THAT? DO YOU DENY THAT THE SHEAR NUMBERS IN TULSA CAN PASS ANY PRO COMPANY CONTRACT?
I do not belittle the TUL folks for doing what's best for them. But you guys hold the cards and that's a fact of life.

Would you care to compare TULSA's average home price, property taxes, utility costs? home insurance? car insurance? would you care to compare those costs to mine in NY? to LA and SFO? Chicago? And please don't don't respond with the usual "Why don't you move?" or "MOve to TULSA" answers. We have families and lives and cannot just pick up and go wherever it's cheaper to live.

Let me ask you this:
Would you have a problem with the line stations getting a nice regional adjustment in our salary?
Another point I would like to mention. It is a good thing that AA is not outsourcing jobs. It is a good thing to make $500 million a year more in maintenance savings and contract work. But how much revenue do you think is made at the line stations in terms of passenger revenue? Billions!

It is clear to me now on what issues I will take a stand.
You are absoutley correct, I will look out for MY best interest. Just as you do.

You also have no idea how pissed I am about the Bonuses.

You watch the media smoke blowing and come on here blaming myself and others that work in Tulsa. Did it ever F'ing cross your mind that not everyone in Tulsa is in those videos? Or maybe that not everyone is worshipping the "working together" lovefest?

I am mow more pissed at you than I am the company, which is exactly my point about your jackass tactics to win folks over and how wrong they are.

You obviously didn't even read the entire post I made, because over half those questions you are still asking were answered in the contract proposal I laid out. Are you so brain dead mad that you can no longer read and comprehend?

I am now going to pigeon hole ALL LINE MECHANICS to be Jack Asses like you just as you pigeon holed me to the Tulsa Media Videos and Dennis Burchette leadership.

 

[Hopeful]

It is clear to me now on what issues I will take a stand.

I rest my case!

 

[TWU informer]

I rest my case!

Fair enough, but you are screwed.

 

[Hopeful]

Fair enough, but you are screwed.

That's what I've been saying all along!
As long as TULSA does what it takes to stay "untouched," the rest of us are screwed!

 

[TWU informer]

That's what I've been saying all along!
As long as TULSA does what it takes to stay "untouched," the rest of us are screwed!

Correct! And your tactics to express your dissappointment have now changed the mind of one, who used to actually feel your pain.

No More, I am against you now. Because obviously you are so self centered that you do not read what others have posted on this bulletin board.

 

[Hopeful]

It is clear to me now on what issues I will take a stand.
You are absoutley correct, I will look out for MY best interest. Just as you do.

You also have no idea how pissed I am about the Bonuses.

You watch the media smoke blowing and come on here blaming myself and others that work in Tulsa. Did it ever F'ing cross your mind that not everyone in Tulsa is in those videos? Or maybe that not everyone is worshipping the "working together" lovefest?

I am mow more pissed at you than I am the company, which is exactly my point about your jackass tactics to win folks over and how wrong they are.

You obviously didn't even read the entire post I made, because over half those questions you are still asking were answered in the contract proposal I laid out. Are you so brain dead mad that you can no longer read and comprehend?

I am now going to pigeon hole ALL LINE MECHANICS to be Jack Asses like you just as you pigeon holed me to the Tulsa Media Videos and Dennis Burchette leadership.

There lies the problem!

WHAT TULSA WANTS, TULSA GETS AND SCREW THE REST OF US!

 

[TWU informer]

There lies the problem!

WHAT TULSA WANTS, TULSA GETS AND SCREW THE REST OF US!

Any loud mouth Jack Ass knows the problem.

The trick here is to have a solution and sell others on the idea.

What exactly is your solution to the problem? I offered one, but you obviously did not read it. So now opine yours.

 

[Hopeful]

Any loud mouth Jack Ass knows the problem.

The trick here is to have solution and sell others on the idea.

What exactly is your solution to the problem?

Relax there, informer!

Here's what i want!


I WANT A UNION THAT IS NOT IN BED WITH THE COMPANY AT ANY EXPENSE!
My anger is not exclusive to TULSA. It is also to all the line maintenance local presidents and e-board members who subscribe to this PLI and JLT bull crap. They feel it is better to engage the company while management is deciding which color Mercedes Benz goes with the yacht!

You totally misread my TULSA criticism. Simply stated, if something is good for TULSA, then the shear numbers in TULSA will vote a contract in! Understandable!
Let's leave it at that!

Maybe if NO ONE volunteered to participate in the media circus and JLT PLI crap, I would be more optimistic!