Tulsa AMT movement.

[WorldTraveler]

If you were leasing a house do you think you should pay to have a new roof or swimming pool added?

the lessor has the right to say NO and take the property back if you decide it isn't what you are willing to pay.

and the same thing is true of Chisolm or any other corporate handout.

TUL can make that decision if they want but what MN paid DL - which early repaid NW's loans for MSP - were a fraction of what AA is asking for TUL.

again, TUL can and will ask what alternatives AA has if TUL says no

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

"MORON ALERT!!!"

 
Indeed
 

 
 
Speaking of which, here is World Fraudster at his best:
 

I have far more knowledge about Oklahoma than you might think.

let's just leave it at that.

 

I didn't say I was an expert.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

if you can't tell the difference between the last two statements that I posted, then you should be careful about who you call a moron.

really.

and, once again, you couldn't help yourself but to jump in and engage in character assassination instead of engaging in the conversation at hand.

wanna give it a try?

we're talking about TUL.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

 
Is this your way of admitting that you don't know diddly about TUL & Oklahoma? 
Or are you going to claim to have such a grasp of the issues due to your mental horsepower?
Make up your mind World Fraudster, choose 1 and stick with it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

nope... but what you really want is to try to discredit me because you really don't have anything to contribute and don't like the idea that AA might actually be told NO.


let me know when something substantive happens.

 

[TWU informer]

Needing to be right comes with a heavy price.
 
People who have to be right find themselves alone and isolated from groups of friends, colleagues or families. They hold on to their righteous ideology and opinions so tightly that no one can have a reasonable dialogue with them. A heavy shield descends over their exterior, which in turn reflects their inner need to never let go of the person they project to others. The need to be right becomes a crusade.
 
Even though they might suffer emotionally, physically and intellectually, they would never notice the negative effects or debilitating psychic downward spiral. However hard they push their ideological agenda, these people fail to realize that they are more than the thought they are projecting.
 
If you pause and consider it, it's really insane isn't it? The very fact that we'd mindlessly choose to win an argument at the cost of damaging our relationships points to something terribly amiss. This inclination leads to the need to win an argument, which assures that no one is actively listening. If I need to be right, and we have differing points of view, that obviously makes you wrong. Doesn't exactly sound like the stuff of friendships, let alone romantic relations. This compulsion to be right sidetracks our lives and impedes our learning and happiness.
 
JUST SAYIN

 

[WorldTraveler]

so that is the best you can come up with because you don't like the suggestion that AA might have to actually pay for its engine cell itself?

did I read somewhere in this thread that AA has been told NO by TUL once before?

if so, who did you castigate for that?

 

[TWU informer]

so that is the best you can come up with because you don't like the suggestion that AA might have to actually pay for its engine cell itself?

did I read somewhere in this thread that AA has been told NO by TUL once before?

if so, who did you castigate for that?

 
IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHO PAYS OR NOT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME IF IT IS UPGRADED OR NOT.
 
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME IF YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG!

 

[WorldTraveler]

and despite what you seem to think, neither do I.

I have merely suggested TUL might just say no and have good reason for doing so.

and, one more time, did or did not TUL say no to AA before?

 

[1AA]

Needing to be right comes with a heavy price.
 
People who have to be right find themselves alone and isolated from groups of friends, colleagues or families. They hold on to their righteous ideology and opinions so tightly that no one can have a reasonable dialogue with them. A heavy shield descends over their exterior, which in turn reflects their inner need to never let go of the person they project to others. The need to be right becomes a crusade.
 
Even though they might suffer emotionally, physically and intellectually, they would never notice the negative effects or debilitating psychic downward spiral. However hard they push their ideological agenda, these people fail to realize that they are more than the thought they are projecting.
 
If you pause and consider it, it's really insane isn't it? The very fact that we'd mindlessly choose to win an argument at the cost of damaging our relationships points to something terribly amiss. This inclination leads to the need to win an argument, which assures that no one is actively listening. If I need to be right, and we have differing points of view, that obviously makes you wrong. Doesn't exactly sound like the stuff of friendships, let alone romantic relations. This compulsion to be right sidetracks our lives and impedes our learning and happiness.
 
JUST SAYIN

I believe you just described a narcissists.

 

[bigjets]

Recently Erickson air crane, bought evergreen helicopters and a Brazilian helicopter company that does oil rigs contracts. Erickson bought those companies because they wanted to expand their government contracts through evergreen and oil rig and South American helicopter operations through the Brazilian helicopter company. The point is TIMCO, AAR or some other MRO, can buy a facility and ramp up their operations to accommodate the extra work load from AA.


What makes any of you think that no one can do AA OH a few years from now, it's like when AMFA went on strike at NWA everyone thought they couldn't be replaced. They were replaced and then they got nothing from the settlement.

Politicians will do everything to keep TULE open, including having the tax payers pay for it. Counting on the line mechs to take less for OH scope probably won't happen again. Remember brother, a loaf a bread cost more at a hub.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Does the fact that the City of Tulsa owns the maintenance base and most of the equipment within matter in the debate amongst you scholars here?
 
AA doesn't own what they are requesting to be upgraded.....the city owns it.

Sort of.
 
That did cross my mind as well.
 
The fact that the city is asking the taxpayers to "OK" it suggest that the city is not required by contract to provide those "upgrades".

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If you were leasing a house do you think you should pay to have a new roof or swimming pool added?

Depends, is the roof leaking or unsafe in some way?
 
Roof no pool yes.
 
A roof is functional part of the domicile. A pool is a luxury. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Politicians will do everything to keep TULE open, including having the tax payers pay for it. 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[WorldTraveler]

funny that the first part of his post didn't get quoted.

Recently Erickson air crane, bought evergreen helicopters and a Brazilian helicopter company that does oil rigs contracts. Erickson bought those companies because they wanted to expand their government contracts through evergreen and oil rig and South American helicopter operations through the Brazilian helicopter company. The point is TIMCO, AAR or some other MRO, can buy a facility and ramp up their operations to accommodate the extra work load from AA.


What makes any of you think that no one can do AA OH a few years from now, it's like when AMFA went on strike at NWA everyone thought they couldn't be replaced. They were replaced and then they got nothing from the settlement.

Politicians will do everything to keep TULE open, including having the tax payers pay for it. Counting on the line mechs to take less for OH scope probably won't happen again. Remember brother, a loaf a bread cost more at a hub.

given the reported age of the AA workforce at TUL, AA has to make some decisions regarding TUL and city officials know that.

the notion that TUL couldn't be operated by someone else or that AA could simply outsource some of the work which the engine test facility is intended to serve are very much options.

The reason why DL is willing to foot the bill for its own comparable facilities in ATL is because DL has a massive MRO operation compared to other US airlines and according to dawg, DL appears to have won the MRO coverage which RR is not willing to extend for new models at TAESL.

the economics work very differently for an MRO vs. an airline only operation.

combine the age of AA's work force with the fact that appears to be pulling back from the engine MRO business it currently does at TAESL and it is no wonder that AA is asking for money but also why the city and state will ask why they should support AA, esp. since a lot of those workers in TUL might be gone in a few years anyway.

and, no, politicians won't do anything to stay elected esp. if you are talking about the kind of money here and for state and local governments. Those are federal government sized amounts of subsidies. It is a huge amount of money for TUL and OK.

politicians aren't willing to get voted out by doing something against the will of the people.

since no one has been willing to say it, earlier aid requests for AA HAVE BEEN DENIED BEFORE.

AA didn't leave town.