Tulsa AMT movement.

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Since you've claimed to be an expert on yet another matter (Oklahoma), why don't you present your credentials?
Oh, you don't have any and just made it up?
How nice!

 

[WorldTraveler]

I didn't say I was an expert.

but let's face it... this is just one more subject where you don't want to admit that AA does not have the strategic power that you want to think they do.

when TUL and OK cave and let AA push them around one more time, let me know.

 

[700UW]

Gee just like DL is doing trying not to pay tax on Jet Fuel purchased at ATL.

 

[WorldTraveler]

same as AA in CLT, right?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

we are probably more on the same page than not.

We are not even in the same book.
 

I have far more knowledge about Oklahoma than you might think.

I won't dispute that because I don't know you. I will however state I was born here and have lived most of my life here. My own experience and history take precedence over your inference. 
 

Every company creates a ripple effect in jobs.

Size and industry count.  
 
Size: Having a major corporation leave is a bit different than say Dan's Used Tires going out of business.
 
Industry: Say McDonald's pulled out of Tulsa..... that would not really be a big deal as there are probably hundreds of fast food places ready to take it's place. If an aircraft maintenance base leaves or goes out of business it is a bit different.
 

as long as the people of OK are held hostage to AA's demands that TUL and OK spend its own money to do things that AA can find money to do in other projects including upgrading its own fleet and facilities elsewhere, OK will constantly be held hostage. and no one likes that.

American Airlines and all the companies (and employees) that depend on American Airlines like that. The Oklahoma and Tulsa government like that because of the jobs it provides and the tax revenue it generates.  There are plenty of people that like it just fine.
 
I agree that being "held hostage" by American Airlines is not optimal but hopefully the rewards outweigh the cost.
 

they will break the cycle and it will come by saying "no" little by little.

It is more likely American Airlines would break Tulsa.

 

[WorldTraveler]

actually, no AA would NOT break TUL and it is precisely because of that belief at AA that they can ask for what they want because they can hurt everyone else if they don't get what they want that is so objectionable to so many people.


I appreciate you not trying to argue my credentials... I respect your opinion but don't try to argue that you are more qualified to speak.

we have two opinions. if you don't see us as on the same page, so be it.

I don't think that the citizens of TUL are going to be held hostage to AA's demands to upgrade AA facilities just because AA can force it for their maintenance facilities but they have to spend money on a new fleet out of their own pocket.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I appreciate you not trying to argue my credentials... I respect your opinion but don't try to argue that you are more qualified to speak.
 

 
And what exactly are your qualifications, preacher boy?

 

[TWU informer]

Does the fact that the City of Tulsa owns the maintenance base and most of the equipment within matter in the debate amongst you scholars here?
 
AA doesn't own what they are requesting to be upgraded.....the city owns it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, it does matter.

it means that TUL could decide it isn't interested in sinking anything else into the facility.


maintenance facilities that are a whole lot newer have been shuttered before.

I still will bet that AA will end up spending a lot more of its own money to upgrade its own facilities or decide they aren't that bad after all.

the notion that the city and state should be forced to fork over hundreds of millions of dollars or AA will take their jobs because AA can do so much damage is highly offensive.

and TUL just might be asking what AA's alternatives really are if they tell AA to spend its own money.

how about someone tee up that side of the conversation?

 

[swamt]

"MORON ALERT!!!"

 

[WorldTraveler]

just like when lepers came running thru the streets yelling "leper, unclean"

if you can't contribute something to the discussion, butt out

 

[TWU informer]

yes, it does matter.

it means that TUL could decide it isn't interested in sinking anything else into the facility.


maintenance facilities that are a whole lot newer have been shuttered before.

I still will bet that AA will end up spending a lot more of its own money to upgrade its own facilities or decide they aren't that bad after all.

the notion that the city and state should be forced to fork over hundreds of millions of dollars or AA will take their jobs because AA can do so much damage is highly offensive.

and TUL just might be asking what AA's alternatives really are if they tell AA to spend its own money.

how about someone tee up that side of the conversation?

 
The issue isn't "good enough" or "bad"
 
The issue is the test cell here isn't large enough to hold the power plants on the new fleet. The same reason the 777 was moved back out of Tulsa. The Trent Power Plant couldn't be tested in Tulsa and for the truckers to transport via highway from AFW (which had the test cell required), the path to avoid lower than required height bridges was cost negative.
 
The aircraft docking might be something AA should fund since those are not permanent fixtures. But the Test Cell is as permanent as it gets.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I get that.

DL is spending its own money to accomplish the same thing in ATL. Dawg already noted that.

if AA REALLY needs a bigger test cell, then why is it the city's responsibility to buy it for AA while AA goes out and spends money on another 787 or a revamp of their MIA facilities with their own money because AA can't get anyone to pay for those?

and by arguing that if TUL doesn't give AA what it wants, the jobs will go elsewhere, then AA doesn't do much to convince anyone that it is at TUL for any other reason than because TUL had to pay them to be.

do you not think that TUL has considered what spending the same amount of money will bring in terms of other jobs?

do you not think that TUL is asking what AA's other alternatives are if TUL says no?

 

[TWU informer]

If you were leasing a house do you think you should pay to have a new roof or swimming pool added?

 

[700UW]

World Fraudster:
 

Delta asks Minn. for $5.9M to renovate Chisholm call center
 
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/23884274/delta-asks-minnesota-for-59m-to-renovate-chisholm-call-center
 
If you are making billions, why do they need a handout?