Tulsa AMT movement.

[MetalMover]

again no insult intended.

not at all....as i am not based in TUL...

 

[bigjets]

The Company will do whats best for The Company. If there giving us a Raise Delta plus 7 it will be at a cost. I dont see them closing Tulsa but I do see them giving it a nice trim

I'm thinking DWH will get even bigger to do overnight phase inspections and TUL will shrink even more. As I understand it USAir Does phase inspections on all the lite C instead of doing the whole check at once.

ORD has 10 bays to do phase inspections

Curios to see what else AA will outsource? Of course I'm sure the TWU will stop that from happening just like they stopped AA from closing AFW and MCI.

WHY THE UNION DUES? maybe so the union could keep 14% of our equity. That way we wouldn't have to spend that on ourselves.

Don't forget, we won an arbitration case in the mid 90s to do all the IFE work but the twu said you guys don't want to do that work anyway.

What great vision our union has. Hey let's form an association without consulting the membership they won't mind.

 

[topDawg]

 
On the lav you are correct. However, I have worked both passenger and cargo with freighters they have cargo locks and cargo handling systems that break all the time. Another thing is cargo birds usually sit over the weekends this is not a good thing. Planes like to fly when they sit for long periods they usually develop leaks either fuel or hydraulic happens a LOT so to say cargo planes are easier to maintain is wrong.

yep. I have seen US military and UPS 767s during heavy C-checks.... the cargo system is as just as a PIA as seats and carpet. and they still have sidewalls. no PSU or bins though. 
 
wouldn't say one is easier than the other. Different but not easier. 
 

We lost FedEx because management didn't know how to run AA MRO properly. Customers like dour work and were willing to pay for the quality. Allegiant and others left because AA didn't know how to bill

Delta had the same problem for a while. Lost United's painting contract because management simply didn't know how to write the contract. 
 
Delta just hired the COO of AAR not to long ago to run the MRO side of the house because they didn't have the best idea how to run a large MRO. 

 

[Bob Owens]

I've worked both as well. There is Zero justification for us making so much less than our peers at UPS and FED EX. I recall when Fed ex made less than us.

 

[bigjets]

I've worked both as well. There is Zero justification for us making so much less than our peers at UPS and FED EX. I recall when Fed ex made less than us.

Well the justification is cargo outfits have smaller overhead and make a lot of money, because there is not as much compitition in the cargo business as travel.

Kind of like how WNBA players don't make what NBA players make.

But on the flip side didn't AA just win an airline cargo award.

 

[Bob Owens]

Well the justification is cargo outfits have smaller overhead and make a lot of money, because there is not as much compitition in the cargo business as travel.

Kind of like how WNBA players don't make what NBA players make.

But on the flip side didn't AA just win an airline cargo award.

How is that justification?
 
Should the airlines also get lower landing fees and fuel costs because their business model is not as profitable? 
 
If AA chose to fly all cargo tomorrow how much say would you have in that decision? 
 
Are you aware that AA's profits were nearly as high as UPS despite UPS have around three times as many employees? 
 
Are you also aware that we used to make as much as UPS? 
 
Why do you buy into the mindset that we should give AA a discount on A&P labor on Heavy Transport aircraft when we are the only ones that would be doing so? 
 
Why are you so quick to defend the company's (and some of their bought and paid for Union leaders) propaganda? 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Well the justification is cargo outfits have smaller overhead and make a lot of money, because there is not as much compitition in the cargo business as travel.

Kind of like how WNBA players don't make what NBA players make.

But on the flip side didn't AA just win an airline cargo award.

You are wasting your time. I have already tried to explain to the forum patrons that AA and UPS have a different business model and a different cost strategy. 
 
Tell them a person working at Eagle works on aircraft just like they do, is required to be licensed just as they are, and has the same responsibility so should get the same pay and watch them go off.
 
The difference of course is Eagle has a different business model and cost structure.
 
You are trying to explain a fact that they either don't understand or don't want to hear.
 
Bob being one of the more intelligent patrons you can guess which side of the fence he sits on.....

 

[Bob Owens]

You are wasting your time. I have already tried to explain to the forum patrons that AA and UPS have a different business model and a different cost strategy. 
 
Tell them a person working at Eagle works on aircraft just like they do, is required to be licensed just as they are, and has the same responsibility so should get the same pay and watch them go off.
 
The difference of course is Eagle has a different business model and cost structure.
 
You are trying to explain a fact that they either don't understand or don't want to hear.
 
Bob being one of the more intelligent patrons you can guess which side of the fence he sits on.....

 AA has a different "business model and cost strategy" (whatever that actually means)  than UAL or DAL or SWA or Fed Ex as well. The fact is we sell heavy Turbine A&P maint labor. And we sell that labor in the same market as our peers at UPS or FED EX, the planes are the same with modifications to the cabins, thats pretty much all. The engines, wheels, systems, avionics etc are for the most part exactly the same whether they use it for freight or Passengers. 

 

[swamt]

Not to mention all the lives and humans we are responsible for until that aircraft is scrapped.  Packages can easily be replaced where human lives can not.

 

[Bob Owens]

Not to mention all the lives and humans we are responsible for until that aircraft is scrapped.  Packages can easily be replaced where human lives can not.

Well technically that freighter could be converted into a PAX and their liability for their work would still be there.  

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 AA has a different "business model and cost strategy" (whatever that actually means). 

Bob you know exactly what it means.
 
I always thought of you as a really intelligent person..... don't change my mind by playing dumb.
 

The fact is we sell heavy Turbine A&P maint labor.

By "WE" I assume you mean the TWU. TWU sells it on your behalf...... Do YOU think TWU is charging a fair price for your skill? That is the only real question here.
 
Being in a UNION has its perks but one of the negatives is you can't negotiate your own salary.
 
If you really believe you should earn more then stop ASKING for more and DEMAND it.
 

Not to mention all the lives and humans we are responsible for until that aircraft is scrapped.  Packages can easily be replaced where human lives can not.

Don't forget about the "lives" of the pilots and the potential lives of those on the ground swamt.

 

[Buck]

New Tulsa Movement....
 
The Dock 2B Acceptance Check is being restructured in the near future.....
 
The Acceptance Check is the arrival of new tail numbers and have new IFE put on.

 

[AA767JET]

Any new talk/rumors of an increase in the AMT headcount in TULE ??

 

[dfw gen]

Any new talk/rumors of an increase in the AMT headcount in TULE ??

didnt they just lay off in Tulsa?

 

[1AA]

Any new talk/rumors of an increase in the AMT headcount in TULE ??

As per past practices AA will probably maintain or increase the headcount until the jcba is passed, then who knows what will happen.