TUL mechs

[ThirdSeatHero]

The seniority integration between SWA and AT mechanics followed McCaskill-Bond as required.
 
If at any time during the SLI negotiations the AT mechs thought they were being taken advantage of, they could've asked for arbitration. The fact that they reached an acceptable negotiated settlement without invoking the arbitration provision tells the tale.

 

[700UW]

At DL 141 of the IAM after both bankruptcies the members had enough of who was in office and they got voted out and replaced, the power is within the membership to make and force a change.
 
I dont agree with everything the IAM has done, but I had always worked to make a change for the better and stood up against those who were in the wrong.
 
The problem I see at AA is that the TWU plays to TUL where the numbers are, seems some people will believe anything.
 
But change can happen if you work to make it happen.

 

[Overspeed]

At DL 141 of the IAM after both bankruptcies the members had enough of who was in office and they got voted out and replaced, the power is within the membership to make and force a change.
 
I dont agree with everything the IAM has done, but I had always worked to make a change for the better and stood up against those who were in the wrong.
 
The problem I see at AA is that the TWU plays to TUL where the numbers are, seems some people will believe anything.
 
But change can happen if you work to make it happen.

 
Another bad thing here at AA/TWU is the local reps don't practice fairness. Look what they did to the TWA/IAM membership. That was downright disrespectful.

 

[comatose]

 
Another bad thing here at AA/TWU is the local reps don't practice fairness. Look what they did to the TWA/IAM membership. That was downright disrespectful.

Using words like bad, fair and respect coming from an inept international minion there is a reason why M&R is doomed.
 
You honestly sound like a disgruntled third grader.

 

[swamt]

And you didnt post where all WN Mechanics got a four  year bump in seniority over the former AirTran mechanics.

So what is your point?  Both the SWA and AT mechanics, as well as both companies, followed the law to a "T" and all this was nego by both sides until something "fair and equitable" to both sidees was reached.  Then BOTH sides agreed to have a vote prior to sending it out for a vote.  Both sides overwhelmingly voted for the SLI agreement by well over 80-85% (both sides- 86% SWA,  84% AT)  
It was also the one of the fastest nego for SLI involving 2 seperate unions.  UAL/CAL still not settled after 8 years.   
You also have to look at all the groups at SWA/AT that went to arbitration, and was awarded the same basic results of increases in seniority by a third party.   Seems others also thought it was fair and equitable for both sides not just 85% plus of the actual employees effected by the SLI agreement.  It seems the $ was most important to the AT guys, where seniority was most important to SWA guys, therefore, both sides were treated fairly and equitably by what was important to them.
Nothing was forced upon anyone.  And yes either side could have gone to arbitration at any time, and it was offered several times in nego but both sides wanted to stick it out and work it out themselves as both sides were making progress instead of a stalemate like other unions have experienced.   
In all actuality the SWA and AT SLI should be a good example of how both sides worked together to come to an agreement using the process and the law to do so...  Happy 4th to all!!!

 

[MetalMover]

Oh thats right, I forgot you work for AA and dont believe in fair and equatable seniority integration, its all about you and forget the rest of the labor movement.
 
Look how you and the TWU treated the PMTW employees says it all.
 
I have been through three airline mergers and everyone was dovetailed, you know the most fair and equatable way.

Excuse me....Why are you leaving out the fact that an arbitrator named KASHER RULED ON THE AA/TWA SENIORITY ISSUE FOR TWU/IAM MEMBERS?
Both sides had to agree to the arbitration process as stated in their respective CBAs.
 
Kasher ruled what HE BELIEVED FAIR AND EQUITABLE SHOULD BE...NOT THE TWU.....
 
Now if you believe that the TWU should have just given the ex TWAers their full seniority, then think again...For once they did EXACTLY WHAT THE MEMBERSHIP WANTED!

 

[AA Tulsa Mechanic]

Hangar 1/2 picking up additional 737 heavy check.

 

[Overspeed]

Using words like bad, fair and respect coming from an inept international minion there is a reason why M&R is doomed.
 
You honestly sound like a disgruntled third grader.

 
Sending a 30 year TWA LLC AMT to the bottom of the list? I would be pretty disgruntled if I were them. Because of the shameful way the AA/TWU locals treated TWA members during the merger is why there is the McCaskil Bond Act.

 

[FWAAA]

Sending a 30 year TWA LLC AMT to the bottom of the list? I would be pretty disgruntled if I were them. Because of the shameful way the AA/TWU locals treated TWA members during the merger is why there is the McCaskil Bond Act.

False.
 
The M-B Act was motivated by the treatment of the TWA FAs by the APFA and the treatment of the TWA pilots by the APA.
 
The mechanics seniority list integration was by arbitration (Kasher).   
 
http://www.smilinjack.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000478

 

[Vortilon]

 
Sending a 30 year TWA LLC AMT to the bottom of the list? I would be pretty disgruntled if I were them. Because of the shameful way the AA/TWU locals treated TWA members during the merger is why there is the McCaskil Bond Act.

 
 
You're such a douche bag,  The bulk of AMTs at TWA were at MCI - where they lost no seniority.  Then at line stations where TWA had enough flights in and out compared to AA "something like 25%" the AMTs were given 1 year for every four years of seniority.  Then, at stations where the TWA flights were less - the AMTs were given the date of the merger as a new seniority date.  Kasher came up with this - not the line membership!

 

[Overspeed]

 
 
You're such a douche bag,  The bulk of AMTs at TWA were at MCI - where they lost no seniority.  Then at line stations where TWA had enough flights in and out compared to AA "something like 25%" the AMTs were given 1 year for every four years of seniority.  Then, at stations where the TWA flights were less - the AMTs were given the date of the merger as a new seniority date.  Kasher came up with this - not the line membership!

 
If the seniority integration was so fair and equitable then why did it drive the government to step in to correct the wrong? Because whether or not it was Kasher who came up with a decision it was the flawed processes in place at the TWU, APFA, and APA that resulted in new laws being written.
 
The 25% would never have been an issue if the TWU presidents did not play "student council" politics and vote to staple the TWA people to the bottom of the list. Definitely not in the spirit of Allegheny Mohawk for sure. The fact is some sort of dovetailing should have occured and the reason you resort to name calling is probably because you would have been pushed down some down the list. So would have a lot of us but the pain of downsizing would have been distributed across the board to all members - TWU and ex-IAM alike. That would have been more fair.

 

[comatose]

 
Sending a 30 year TWA LLC AMT to the bottom of the list? I would be pretty disgruntled if I were them. Because of the shameful way the AA/TWU locals treated TWA members during the merger is why there is the McCaskil Bond Act.

 
It goes from amfa's fault to the locals fault. 
 
Do you know just how stupid you make yourself look?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

 
If the seniority integration was so fair and equitable then why did it drive the government to step in to correct the wrong? Because whether or not it was Kasher who came up with a decision it was the flawed processes in place at the TWU, APFA, and APA that resulted in new laws being written.
 
The 25% would never have been an issue if the TWU presidents did not play "student council" politics and vote to staple the TWA people to the bottom of the list. Definitely not in the spirit of Allegheny Mohawk for sure. The fact is some sort of dovetailing should have occured and the reason you resort to name calling is probably because you would have been pushed down some down the list. So would have a lot of us but the pain of downsizing would have been distributed across the board to all members - TWU and ex-IAM alike. That would have been more fair.

 
the government stepped in due to the flight attendants for TWA being stapled to the bottom not M&R.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

 
Sending a 30 year TWA LLC AMT to the bottom of the list? I would be pretty disgruntled if I were them. Because of the shameful way the AA/TWU locals treated TWA members during the merger is why there is the McCaskil Bond Act.

I guess you were ok with all the AA AMTs in STL getting the boot no matter what their seniority was?  All AA mechs got the boot from STL and all the TWA mechs stayed.

 

[swamt]

OVERSPEED, please keep posting, your doing a great job,  LOL!!!