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[Overspeed]

So tell me Overspeed, why won't you address your contradictory statements?
 
First you said AMFA was responsible for the loss of heavy maintenance at UAL, then you post the IAM gave it up.
 
And not that I need to expose your blatant ignorance yet again, but you know NOTHING when it comes to what AMFA did at UAL.
 
Here is just one example of the truth of AMFAs action in bankruptcy at UAL.
 
http://socialistworker.org/2005-1/529/529_11_United.shtml

 
And then a short time later...AMFA all talk, no action.
 
By Amy Joyce
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 31, 2005; 5:05 PM
 

United Airlines' unions today agreed to contracts that will help move the company toward an exit from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
 

Members of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association ratified a five year contract that will include pay and benefit cuts, saving the carrier $96 million and heading off a threatened strike.
 
The mechanics union, which represents 7,000 United Airlines mechanics and cleaners, voted 59 percent to 41 percent to a 3.9 percent pay cut, among other concessions.
 


 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/31/AR2005053100107.html

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Yes, I've read through your laughable twu talking points but I don't see any explanation for the posts where you've been proven a liar repeatedly.

 

[1AA]

Yes, I've read through your laughable twu talking points but I don't see any explanation for the posts where you've been proven a liar repeatedly.

I believe he considers his posts to be sensationalism. No truth but great reading left to the weak minded to believe his crap.

 

[700UW]

They didnt have a CBA abrogation, it wasnt forced, 1113 e are temporary emergency cuts, but not 1113 c.
 
You are being dishonest.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

When you make things up as frequently as he does, it gets difficult to keep the stories straight.   He's not a very good liar.   Frequent liar, to be sure, but not very good at it.    

Practice makes perfect.

 

[Overspeed]

Yes, I've read through your laughable twu talking points but I don't see any explanation for the posts where you've been proven a liar repeatedly.

Talking points? The Washington Post article clearly states AMFA voted down concessions, voted for a strike, then agreed after a second vote to accept concessions.

Truth again that AMFA folded in the face of adversity and did not do better than the IAM.

This is great fun.

 

[swamt]

just look at our scope, what a joke...nothing concrete and favors the company
but we did better overspun.....the twu is the leading concessionary union over the last 30 years,   dont believe me just look at our industry leading concessioanry contracts and tally the numbers up as compared to the industry....BK or not and the TWU wins the title of leading concessionary union.   We gave concesions when no one else did.  the TWU single handedly broought the whole industry down thanks to their great negotiations in 1983,1989,1993,1995,2003,2012

Correct sir.  For the past 3 decades, that's 30 years folks, when is enough, enough, pls get a clue folks pls.  It is so sad to watch.  Fire the TWU and get on with your careers for Gods sake...

 

[Overspeed]

They didnt have a CBA abrogation, it wasnt forced, 1113 e are temporary emergency cuts, but not 1113 c.
 
You are being dishonest.

Dishonest? Did the IAM vote down voluntary concessions? Yes. Did UA then file 1113e to bypass any further negotiations and impose immediate cuts? Yes. Then UA negotiated with the IAM in 1113c a new CBA.

All factual

 

[Overspeed]

I believe he considers his posts to be sensationalism. No truth but great reading left to the weak minded to believe his crap.

Weak minded? Yep all those UA M&R that took a chance on AMFA and got smacked with another near 4% cut on top of the 13% cuts that the IAM got hit with were definitely weak minded. They woke up and booted AMFA though so at least.

 

[swamt]

 
There was indeed a lie ... and more than one  at that.
 
Your pathetic attempt to re-qualify your posts is duly noted but your obfuscation changes nothing.
 
You still haven't explained this glaring set of contradictory posts ...
 
You tried to blame AMFA for the loss of overhauls at UAL ...
 
 
Then while trying to cover for that LIE, you expose yourself by posting that it was indeed the IAM that gave up overhauls at UAL ...
 
 
One of these statements is true, the other is a LIE, and since you are responsible for both that makes you a liar. 

Which is why I continuously tell him ("Overspeed") to keep posting, he is doing a great job for the industry...

 

[swamt]

 
Big words but changes nothing.
 
IAM gave under force by Wedoff and the ATSB after they rejected the original concessions request by UA. Then it was forced on them by Wedoff under the 1113e process. You know that. There was no cave by the IAM.
 
"It was under a Section 1113(e) motion that the Interim Relief Agreement, effective January 1, 2003 , went into “emergency” effect for nearly 9% cut in our wages. It was under this motion that the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers Districts 141 and 141-M (IAM) refused a consensual agreement for a 13% “emergency” wage cut and the court subsequently imposed a wage cut of 14%."
 
AMFA came in based on the lies that they would do better. Wedoff said nice try and told AMFA they would accept more concessions and so AMFA caved. Gave more wage concessions and more overhaul work. Not a lie as well.
 
In the end UA M&R caught on and ousted AMFA. And not a lie as well.
 
TSH bottom line, AMFA got booted at UA due to their abject failure to deliver on any of their tactics or "professional" representation at AS (lost OAK overhaul while not even in BK), caved beyond what the IAM had taken from them at UA, and the coup de grace...lost 90% of their members jobs at NWA.
 
Way to go AMFA!

Boy you are so full of shite your eyes are brown. (sorry for that folks)  Even 700UW is correcting your lies about the IAM at UAL prior to AMFA.  You are PATHETIC man.  Get a clue. Move on DA!!

 

[swamt]

Over speed 700 called you out so now I know you are completely full of poo

I have been trying to tell you guys at UAL as well as at all other airlines, this for years, WOW...

 

[swamt]

So tell me Overspeed, why won't you address your contradictory statements?
 
First you said AMFA was responsible for the loss of heavy maintenance at UAL, then you post the IAM gave it up.
 
And not that I need to expose your blatant ignorance yet again, but you know NOTHING when it comes to what AMFA did at UAL.
 
Here is just one example of the truth of AMFAs action in bankruptcy at UAL.
 
http://socialistworker.org/2005-1/529/529_11_United.shtml

Now what Overspeed.  Keep posting pls...

 

[swamt]

Talking points? The Washington Post article clearly states AMFA voted down concessions, voted for a strike, then agreed after a second vote to accept concessions.

Truth again that AMFA folded in the face of adversity and did not do better than the IAM.

This is great fun.

Your such a dunb $sS.  AMFA showed strength and upheld resistance where the IAM (at UAL) showed weakness and agreed to all the concessions.  Where do you come from?  No one will believe your freakin crap no matter what.  Keep posting though...

 

[swamt]

You just gotta LUV this stuff man...