The TWU Conssesions History

[strikeforce]

Most misinformed pots yet. First off AMTs are not in their own class and craft. Title I and II are in the same class and craft and you can't break them up. You won't get that with AMFA, they represent GSE as well and negotiate with them together. M&R has negotiated separately from FSC/TIII since 2001 so they aren't "holding you back."

So if you want to say you are screwed because you are with Title II, its not the TWU that did that. It's the NMB.

then explain to me why FSC president's were casting votes for the July 2012 T/A if they are not part of our negotiations??? According to you they are not part of M&R, right? Explain to me why MCT's negotiate their own deals, and why they're not included in the M&R vote....they are A&P's too?? It's all a sham on the part of the TWU. I don't have a problem with Title II, never have. I do have a problem when ANY FSC is making a decision for the amt. Again, that was one of the MAIN reason AMT's wanted out from FSC locals, and supposedly got seperate negotiations. So OS, what's your definition of seperate?? We're not seperate....it's all BS!

 

[1AA]

And on another note if it was not for AA being in BK we would have made a profit of $10 million for the third quarter of 2012. Oh well that nasty BK just duped us again to kill our contract. Way to go TWU.

 

[Rogallo]

If only having 2.75 AMTs per aircraft is what you define as success. AA will be at 15.5 AMTs per aircraft after the changes are fully implemented in 2013. The gap to get to $42 from $33 here at AA is 12.75 AMTs per aircraft or 6,000 Title I and II jobs outsourced. I'll survive the cut on midnights with Tu/We...how about you?

And you may have to do more than one 0909 check a night there hitter?

 

[strikeforce]

If only having 2.75 AMTs per aircraft is what you define as success. AA will be at 15.5 AMTs per aircraft after the changes are fully implemented in 2013. The gap to get to $42 from $33 here at AA is 12.75 AMTs per aircraft or 6,000 Title I and II jobs outsourced. I'll survive the cut on midnights with Tu/We...how about you?

Don't worry 1AA, I voted yes just so I could keep hearing your baseless arguments and whining while not really understanding how close you were to waiting in line for government cheese.

Yes, it's success when you're able to negotiate the top wages and benefits in the industry. Industrialized unions gage success on the number of jobs they can keep....no matter what the wages or benefits earned. There's only so much in the pot, right OS? The TWU divides the pot by the number of total members needed to keep their 6 figure incomes intact.....guess what, that means lower pay for everyone. Now, take that same pot and divide it by less workers that AMFA represents........guess what, industry leading pay for the amt's.
I would like to know "how many FSC, auto, plant, facility, and stores members AMFA represents at WN, AS, and others"? I'm under the assumption that AMFA wants to represent A&P mechanics ONLY???

 

[Rogallo]

These are the facts too;
1- You recommended we vote down a TA that would have paid us $38 or number two highest paid because we were going to fight for more and that BK was a scare tactic - EPIC FAIL by the vote no coalition
2 - You recommended we vote down a TA that would have restored three holidays because we were going to fight for more and that BK was a scare tactic - EPIC FAIL by the vote no coalition
3 - You recommended we vote down a TA that would have have restored VC and added PTO days because we were going to fight for more and that BK was a scare tactic - EPIC FAIL by the vote no coalition
4 - You recommended we vote down a TA that would have given us full pay SK pay for all days and increased SK time accrual because we were going to fight for more and that BK was a scare tactic - EPIC FAIL by the vote no coalition

So finally you admit your plan Bob, give up jobs to pay for your wage increases on the line. You really do hate overhaul. Yes AMT headcount will drop beyond 2,000 but that will take time because that is due to new fleet types not needing an overhaul for a while. That headcount reduction would happen under any CBA. But only under the TWU CBA is 65% of that new maintenance spend contractually mandated to brought in-house.

Bob, those overhaul guys you want to get laid off also pay dues. In your world you will represent them by having them laid off. "Give me your dues now get lost." Nice.

Worst pay and benefits in the industry.

EPIC FAIL by vote yes stooges.

 

[FWAAA]

And on another note if it was not for AA being in BK we would have made a profit of $10 million for the third quarter of 2012. Oh well that nasty BK just duped us again to kill our contract. Way to go TWU.

An unfortunate typo caused you to understate the profit by more than 90%; if not for the bankruptcy-related items, AMR would have reported a profit of $110 million. Still, that reflects a low operating margin of under 5% while DL is expected to report an operating margin of about 9%. Once the labor cost savings kick in, AA should be able to deliver profit margins comparable to DL and UA.

 

[strikeforce]

If only having 2.75 AMTs per aircraft is what you define as success. AA will be at 15.5 AMTs per aircraft after the changes are fully implemented in 2013. The gap to get to $42 from $33 here at AA is 12.75 AMTs per aircraft or 6,000 Title I and II jobs outsourced. I'll survive the cut on midnights with Tu/We...how about you?

Don't worry 1AA, I voted yes just so I could keep hearing your baseless arguments and whining while not really understanding how close you were to waiting in line for government cheese.

That gap of 12.75 has placed AMFA at the top. That means their AMT's are more efficient at what they do. 15.5 per aircraft at AA is called "mismanagement". Doing one 0909 check per night at AA is "mismanagement". That's the difference, kool-aid drinker. Therefore, the TWU has had a hand at mis-managing AA too. Would you rather divide the pie by 15.5 or 2.75???

 

[swamt]

1AA, on 16 October 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

So why is it that AMFA represented AMT's benefits and pay are better than TWU represented AMT's? Strength in numbers and money obviously do not facture in to your reasoning. Answer that one PHAT boy.


Southwest Airlines. That is the reason.


Don't forget about NWA (who started the huge wage increases with AMFA) as well as Alaska who is #2 paid just behind SWA for passenger airliners. Let's see, Hmmmm, Yup, they are all represented by AMFA.
I am no way saying if AMFA gets in at AA they will shoot to the top of the wage scale.

 

[swamt]

As far as I can determine and anyone has posted, amfa has one industry leading contract ONLY, To be fair, this same group lead the industry in wages even before becoming amfa.

You said amfa did this multiple times. Which other groups represented by amfa were or are at the top of the pay scale?

Once again you are wrong Anomaly. NWA with AMFA started the huge wage increases in our industry. The other legacy carriers followed suit with NWA, but I don't think anyone passed NWA until SWA did, which is directly related to the NWA raises started by AMFA.
It has been done mutiple times. It has continued to be done at SWA since AMFA came into SWA. Yes, there have been extensions as well as full blown sec 6 nego with AMFA on property. Who cares as long as this is what the membership wants. AMFA is the only union consistantly bringing their members raises and bonuses ever since 9-11. Can ANY other union state this? NO, they can not.
Another carrier called Alaska airlines has also done it. From your question above: Which other groups represented by amfa were or are at the top of the pay scale? Alaska is currently #2 passenger carrier paid and represented by AMFA.
You see AMFA only does what the membership tells them to do. And this is why nobody can aswer the question of "what will AMFA do at AA" The factual answer is, "AMFA will do what ever is asked by the majority of the membership".

 

[swamt]

You AMFA clones are a joke. I hope you realize the TWU has represented SWA's Flight Attendants for many years. The TWU also represents the thousands of Ramp Agents, and the Dispatcher Group. So don't fall all over yourselves bragging about AMFA's accomplishments (based on a takeover of an IBT agreement). TWU has accomplished more than you have and they didn't have to outsource anything to do it. No one will deny SWA management is different than that at all other major carriers. How that will work with their new head of HR remains to be seen.

Yes, TWU does represent SWA F/A's. And they are the union that just got done screwing the F/A's during their scenoirity integration negos., as well as the rampers at SWA. The dispatchers just got huge increases ONLY because they were able to "compare" themselves to the UPS dispatchers. Great for them, not knocking it at all. But the TWU did not in any way nego from scratch a huge increases as AMFA did for the NWA mechanics years ago. Now SWA cannot refuse to "compare" us with UPS mechanics wages, as this will be done in the current contract negos.
You need to give credit when and where credit is due. All airlines have the AMFA represented mechanics at NWA to thank for the higher wage scales in the industry as they started it all, then all other unions simply used the AMFA/NWA wage increases to their advantage to get increases.





Yes TWU has represented F/A's here at SWA. They are also the union that just scewed over it's members during the scenoirity

 

[swamt]

If only having 2.75 AMTs per aircraft is what you define as success. AA will be at 15.5 AMTs per aircraft after the changes are fully implemented in 2013. The gap to get to $42 from $33 here at AA is 12.75 AMTs per aircraft or 6,000 Title I and II jobs outsourced. I'll survive the cut on midnights with Tu/We...how about you?

Don't worry 1AA, I voted yes just so I could keep hearing your baseless arguments and whining while not really understanding how close you were to waiting in line for government cheese.

AA always way over hires just so they can lay-off later. SWA has always ran lean. Rather 2.75, 1.75 or 15.5 per A/C, I really don't give a crap when my company is consistantly profitable, paying me industry leading wages and bennies, and will call me in for overtime anytime I want it, I would say it's working very well. BTW we are currently hiring now thru July of 2013, is your airline??

 

[swamt]

here's the difference TWU lover....the TWU represented dispatchers, F/A's, MCT's, and Sim Tech's negotiate their own deals. They don't have a mix of FSC, Title I, and Title II included with them. The AMT profession has NEVER negotiated alone....we've always had to be bunched in with non-amt clowns. Even FSC negotiates alone. At AMFA, it's strictly M&R. And, let's get something straight....I'm not an AMFA clone. I stand up for the AMT profession because it's unions like the TWU and IAM that have diminished the craft. Industrialized unions believe all members have equal weight....not true in professional organizations. APA, AFA, and even AMFA consider themselves a professional organization and they negotiate on the principles that they represent professionals. That's why they can demand high wages. Believe it or not...they act professional, and they look and work like professionals. They don't act or look like clowns around management. That speaks volumes.

Well said sir. Deserves another post for all to read again and again.

 

[swamt]

Strikeforce, what you say was part of the ingredients of the amfa Kool-aid we drank at UAL. This begs the question, are you now an AMFA member? Are you in fact represented by amfa?

The biggest problem with amfa is that AMFA is not present in any of these debate issues. The amfa idea is all dependent on hype from those of you who have never been a part of amfa. You all preach the ideas you want to come true and you are all herded by the very few loyalist who are still wanting to gain some sort of personal position. Unfortunately, anything said by any amfa supporter on any subject is so easily accepted as gospel from those willing to accept any lie presented to them, and so easily denied by the AMFA leadership. AMFA international will not intervene in these forums directly or even on their own web sites because it would constitute a commitment to what was promised. AMFA would much rather have loyalist make any amount of promises rather than have the organization made responsible. They can simply deny the promise later.

Please think for yourselves.

Consider this. AMFA does not mirror any of these positive comments from this blog site on their website. The Teamsters do.

http://www.teamster.org/aamx

The Teamsters are willing to post the issues on a web site and attach their name with an address for follow up questions. AMFA has not officially entered in to the arena,

http://amfanational....page=Organizing

There are no organizers to contradict or ask questions, nor are there staff to help resolve differences or suggest solutions to controversy. Are you all willing to trust your futures with anonymous contributions from those who have something to gain?? amfa has no organizing committee. This is the most basic part of any union wishing to survive past the end of the dues cycle. The amfa supporters will say anything needed to gain your support. The truth for them is a distant distraction.

Do you truly want to trust an association that will not come forward? One that relies only on the comments from those who who are not yet members?

Be careful

I am an AMFA member and he did speak the truth. It's all there in the constitution for all to research and read up on. The way AMFA is ran and operated is right there in writing in the constitution.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

AA always way over hires just so they can lay-off later. SWA has always ran lean. Rather 2.75, 1.75 or 15.5 per A/C, I really don't give a crap when my company is consistantly profitable, paying me industry leading wages and bennies, and will call me in for overtime anytime I want it, I would say it's working very well. BTW we are currently hiring now thru July of 2013, is your airline??

Yes, swamt. UAL is hiring.

sCAL is hiring off the street while sUAL still has mechanics on furlough.

And the ibt, which represents both mechanic groups, is watching it happen.

 

[swamt]

You are an incredibly shallow man if this is all you can come up with. It is OK to dislike the Teamsters, or any union. But why make up stories? Is Hoffa sitting on a NWA seat during a strike really the only thing that is preventing your support?

Come on dude......

UNBELIEVABLE!!! You are saying it's ok for a Union leader to fly on a carrier that is on strike? That sir is a scab statement. Now we all see where you really are. You would be the first one to cross a picket line to go back to work, just like Hoffa and his goons did to the NWA mechanics while they were on strike. And it is not made up there is records of it, it did in fact happen, the strikers witnessed it themselves.
Your last statement clearly shows that you support someone crossing picket lines to fly while a strike is in progress. How freakin pathetic of you. No wonder you are supporting the ibt, you truly are just like them.
Keep posting your doing even a better job.