Thb And Ward Debate

MiAAmi said:
As far as the TW seniority scare that eveyone keeps throwing around, from most f/a's I talk with our next contract is the real issue. Getting back what we lost is top priority to most.
Yea!........................right!!
 
MiAAmi said:
No ...I think the original seniority integration stated that all ex-tw'er will always be on the bottom of the seniority list no matter what. LOL
lol B)
 
twasilverbullet said:
Yea!........................right!!
Well, I am one of those who is not even considering the SIA in my rational for voting for THB. It is out of the hands of the BOD and in the courts(as we ALL know) so why even bring it up? It is not just the APFA but also AA that is being whaled in to court on this issue. I would be doing the same d*mn thing if the "pump" was on the my foot so what now? As SOOOO many of our more "expieranced" colliages(sp) where trying to get through our collective "silver sealed" heads from as far back as 9/11 that we had better "PREPARE" because the writing was on the galley wall. OH NO!!! Yall don't know s*I$ about how AA op. and yall are just a bunch of BK seniorty steeling OLE bittttties who should be thankfull for the "HUGE" pay raise and our "industry leading" contract (for the 2 Xtra years of employment because TW WOULD NOT have survivded w/o AA or even 9/11).
Well here we are and I still see the pleathera of knowlage and experiance just siting by professionaly waiting to be called in and asked to join the "tribe". Of all of the BOD'rs did you know there are only 2 who have exp. in "concessionary" style negociations? Yup that's right one of the very nAAtives on the APFA BOD had past con.exp and according to her,she was never asked for her input at all and they knew of where once she had flown.SO Sherry Cooper was snubbed I can see that (from a your sueing us kinda way) but she was NOT the only one from STL to offer up there services. Nancy MacGuier(sp) I know had alot of "ideAAs" on the APFA BB. Also I do believe there was a semi-official "counter proposal" writen up and even I do believe submitted to the parties envolved but I am sure JW used to whipe the sweat off with that "gun" that was pointed at his head as he put it by the company.(what a sorry sack of $#!^).
Ok I am done. I can't spell/type worth athing tonight.
It is ALL about US now!
Let's just concintrate on getting EVERYBODY back on the line who wants to be here and move fwd.I personaly can't wait to fly with some of those "ole bitties" and hear the stories-:) Man oh man just sit back and listen. The "glamour" is still here it's just buried under alot of "things" that only time will remove and let the "glamour" spill out. If not in our lives and def. in our carrers but in the lives of our"Stews" who actually lived it-:)
Peace
SB
ps-I did split my orig. ballot and I did indeed vote for a qualifyed seasoned individule who just so happen's to be from our TWA past.
 
And give all those AAers seniority of 2015? Do you suppose they would sue? Nah, they understand that you get the date the purchase is finalized. They would have no reason to be unhappy and thus would not sue for some seniority. Out of the question.

Silver, when does the romance and excitement return to flying?
 
L1011Ret said:
And give all those AAers seniority of 2015? Do you suppose they would sue? Nah, they understand that you get the date the purchase is finalized. They would have no reason to be unhappy and thus would not sue for some seniority. Out of the question.

Silver, when does the romance and excitement return to flying?
We wouldn't know how to sue. All the Flight Attendant/Lawyers all worked at TWA
 
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MiAAmi said:
We wouldn't know how to sue. All the Flight Attendant/Lawyers all worked at TWA

It easy to sue somebody. Just hire an attorney! Remember, if you're filing for a labor related issue, you need a labor law attorney. Maybe this can help you if you need it: An Attorney for you

MiAAmi, you're crazy if you think JW is the best for the APFA and this membership. He has screwed us so bAAd, because he waas bought by AA. He is the perfect example of what a true sellout really is.
 
Got any proof of that? Before you start using words like crazy you should be sure and list only the facts ma'am!
 
LiveInAHotel said:
MiAAmi, you're crazy if you think JW is the best for the APFA and this membership. He has screwed us so bAAd, because he waas bought by AA. He is the perfect example of what a true sellout really is.
Hotel, I totally agree with you on this one.
 
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MiAAmi said:
Got any proof of that? Before you start using words like crazy you should be sure and list only the facts ma'am!
Wow, were should I start?

1. He gave AA our furlough pay: AA didn't ask for it

2. He gave AA 15.6% of our pay: He didn't even try to negotiate it lower

3. He gave AA 5 year recall rights for our fellow brothers and sisters on furlough: AA offered 10 years

4. He let AA reduce our layovers to FAA minimum: He never fought to stop it

5. He bought a new $800,000 dollar home in DFW: I wonder how he could AAfford that?

6. We took a huge paycut: We're still paying $41.00 per month in dues.

Do I need to go on? I'm sure others can add to the list. Yes, I can add more but, I don't have the time.

Yes, MiAAmi you're still crazy for wanting JW to represent the 27,000 AA f/a's!
 
LiveInAHotel said:
Wow, were should I start?

1. He gave AA our furlough pay: AA didn't ask for it

2. He gave AA 15.6% of our pay: He didn't even try to negotiate it lower

3. He gave AA 5 year recall rights for our fellow brothers and sisters on furlough: AA offered 10 years

4. He let AA reduce our layovers to FAA minimum: He never fought to stop it

5. He bought a new $800,000 dollar home in DFW: I wonder how he could AAfford that?

6. We took a huge paycut: We're still paying $41.00 per month in dues.

Do I need to go on? I'm sure others can add to the list. Yes, I can add more but, I don't have the time.

Yes, MiAAmi you're still crazy for wanting JW to represent the 27,000 AA f/a's!
LiveInAHotel - Miami may not be able to comprehend exactly what Ward has done to the membership. He may have "abused wife" syndrome. Out of fear of the unknown - he wants to stay with the abuse. Unfortunately, he draws everyone else into his "unhealthy" environment.

I hope other f/a's can see the truth for what it is and begin a "new beginning". Ward has destroyed, created hate, etc. - all for his egotistic personality of control.
We need someone that can lead us and unite us to a better future.
 

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