Teamsters "raiding" TWU?

[Anomaly]

All the talk here about the NWA strike and how AMFA lost jobs, Looks as though the striking Teamsters at Hostess will all be out of jobs as the company will soon shut down.

Will this cause the Teamsters to admit that when the company shuts down or even sells off the name, they lost JOBS?

There are even article that members of the Teamsters even crossed the picket lines.

So tell us all you IBT supporters how does that make you feel that with all the mud slinging
you have done about Amfa striking at NWA and how they lost jobs, the IBT does as well.
They even cross their own picket lines as well.

So does that mean that the Almighty IBT is like any other union?

The teamsters voted yes to more concessions to hostess.
The bakers said no more concessions.

At least get the story straight.....
The Teamsters tried to save the industry and the jobs. Sometimes that is how a responsible union acts.

A small portion from the Huffington Post
http://www.huffingto..._n_2145851.html

Until the company announced Friday that it intended to liquidate and lay off most of its nearly 19,000 employees, Hostess Brands, the maker of iconic Twinkies and Wonder Bread, had spent several months in acrimonious talks with the two unions that represent the bulk of its workforce.

Ultimately, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, and the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers' International Union chose very different paths in negotiations, raising the question of just how much workers should give up when management insists the company's survival depends on it.

With Hostess claiming that its union contracts were too onerous,
the Teamsters acquiesced in September to significant pay and pension cuts for workers, even though employees had agreed to concessions in Hostess' previous bankruptcy. The bakers' union, however, fought the proposal, culminating with a strike launched last Friday that affected more than 20 of Hostess' bakeries, according to the company.
Now, Hostess is winding down. Publicly, management has attributed its decision directly to the bakers' strike, even though the company had plenty of problems aside from labor issues, including a customer base that has been turning away from the likes of Twinkies and Ding-Dongs for healthier foods.

Even knowing Hostess may have been doomed in the long run, some Teamsters said they can't help but feel like collateral damage in the bakers' union's showdown with management.

"We did everything we could to save the company," said Joseph Ortuso, a Teamster and sales route driver from New Jersey who'd been with Hostess or its acquisitions for more than two decades. "We never gave up during bankruptcy. We fought in the marketplace to retain our business. In the end, somebody else made the decision."

 

[FWAAA]

All the talk here about the NWA strike and how AMFA lost jobs, Looks as though the striking Teamsters at Hostess will all be out of jobs as the company will soon shut down.

Will this cause the Teamsters to admit that when the company shuts down or even sells off the name, they lost JOBS?

There are even article that members of the Teamsters even crossed the picket lines.

So tell us all you IBT supporters how does that make you feel that with all the mud slinging
you have done about Amfa striking at NWA and how they lost jobs, the IBT does as well.
They even cross their own picket lines as well.

So does that mean that the Almighty IBT is like any other union?

The IBT did not strike Hostess. The Bakers' union struck and Hostess management made good on its threat to shut down the company. The IBT voted to accept concessions and then criticised the Bakers' union for not conducting a secret ballot for the strike. Some Bakers' union employees crossed the picket lines this week, but apparently not enough.

 

[TWU informer]

hiding???? Seriously, now don't get mad this is only a question, Are you some kind of a moron? To improve my plight I became a shop rep. Working within AMFA to try to improve things, I now believe AMFA just can't do it. If you took it as complaining, sorry I wasn't, I believe I said "We" so I'm right there to blame with AMFA. Now see if there system works contact Local 14 let them know I am here so I can be voted out. I will let you know how that worked out for me.

I suspect you became a shop rep to be an insider for the Industrial Union, and have never been a craft union supporter, but a mole instead.

If AMFA is YOU, then what do you want? An organization that is not YOU? Like an industrial union where you only have to pay your dues and "they" will take of everything for you?

Is that what you need and want?

And you think you should be voted out because you are here and post your opinion?

You are truly an industrial union taught and believer. So contact Local 14 members and make the change, it is your Federal Legal right.

Would you sellout your fellow man in exchange for a business agent appointment so you could get $160K for yourself?

 

[Anomaly]

The IBT did not strike Hostess. The Bakers' union struck and Hostess management made good on its threat to shut down the company. The IBT voted to accept concessions and then criticised the Bakers' union for not conducting a secret ballot for the strike. Some Bakers' union employees crossed the picket lines this week, but apparently not enough.

Another good article explaining what the Teamsters did for this group.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/15/4988814/teamsters-bakery-workers-should.html

WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2012 -- Unannounced Strike Has Put Thousands of Jobs in Jeopardy
WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

Today, the Teamsters Union announced its recommendation to the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM) that a vote of its Hostess members by secret ballot should be held to determine if the workers want to continue their strike of the company and force it into liquidation.

On Wednesday, Nov. 14, Hostess Brands indicated that if it couldn't resume normal operations by 5 p.m. EST on Thursday, Nov. 15 that it would have to begin the liquidation process. Teamster Hostess members and all Hostess employees should know this is not an empty threat or a negotiating tactic, but the certain outcome if members of the BCTGM continue to strike. This is based on conversations with our financial experts, who, because the Teamsters were involved in the legal process, had access to financial information about the company.

As stated previously, Teamster Hostess members have been frustrated by numerous missteps by a variety of Hostess management teams, but the union has tried to engage constructively to find a solution to preserve jobs. That comprehensive engagement has spanned 18 months.

The Teamsters chose to challenge the company's path of a worker-only solution, engage constructively so other constituents would be sacrificing and require management changes and oversight so that the same missteps would not be repeated.
In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement with the Teamsters in court, the Teamsters fought back and won, ensuring that Hostess could not unilaterally make changes to working conditions during the several months' long legal process that recently ended. Teamster Hostess members were allowed to decide their fate by voting on the final offer conducted by a secret mail ballot. More than two-thirds of Hostess Teamsters members voted with 53 percent voting to approve the final offer.

The BCTGM chose a different path, as is their prerogative, to not substantively look for a solution or engage in the process. BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer.
On Friday, Nov. 9, the BCTGM began to strike at some Hostess production facilities without notice to the Teamsters despite assurances they would not proceed with job actions without contacting the Teamsters Union. This unannounced action put Teamster members in the difficult position of facing picket lines without knowing their right to honor such a line without being disciplined.

As is our longstanding tradition, Teamster members by and large are honoring Bakery Worker picket lines when encountered and complying with their contractual obligations when not encountering picket lines. The BCTGM leaders are putting Teamster members in a horrible position – asking them to support a strike that will put them out of a job when they haven't even asked all their members to go on strike.

That strike is now on the verge of forcing the company to liquidate – it is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the BCTGM Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike. We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote. Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.

 

[TWU informer]

Another good article explaining what the Teamsters did for this group.

http://www.sacbee.co...ers-should.html

WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2012 -- Unannounced Strike Has Put Thousands of Jobs in Jeopardy
WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

Today, the Teamsters Union announced its recommendation to the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM) that a vote of its Hostess members by secret ballot should be held to determine if the workers want to continue their strike of the company and force it into liquidation.

On Wednesday, Nov. 14, Hostess Brands indicated that if it couldn't resume normal operations by 5 p.m. EST on Thursday, Nov. 15 that it would have to begin the liquidation process. Teamster Hostess members and all Hostess employees should know this is not an empty threat or a negotiating tactic, but the certain outcome if members of the BCTGM continue to strike. This is based on conversations with our financial experts, who, because the Teamsters were involved in the legal process, had access to financial information about the company.

As stated previously, Teamster Hostess members have been frustrated by numerous missteps by a variety of Hostess management teams, but the union has tried to engage constructively to find a solution to preserve jobs. That comprehensive engagement has spanned 18 months.

The Teamsters chose to challenge the company's path of a worker-only solution, engage constructively so other constituents would be sacrificing and require management changes and oversight so that the same missteps would not be repeated.
In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement with the Teamsters in court, the Teamsters fought back and won, ensuring that Hostess could not unilaterally make changes to working conditions during the several months' long legal process that recently ended. Teamster Hostess members were allowed to decide their fate by voting on the final offer conducted by a secret mail ballot. More than two-thirds of Hostess Teamsters members voted with 53 percent voting to approve the final offer.

The BCTGM chose a different path, as is their prerogative, to not substantively look for a solution or engage in the process. BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer.
On Friday, Nov. 9, the BCTGM began to strike at some Hostess production facilities without notice to the Teamsters despite assurances they would not proceed with job actions without contacting the Teamsters Union. This unannounced action put Teamster members in the difficult position of facing picket lines without knowing their right to honor such a line without being disciplined.

As is our longstanding tradition, Teamster members by and large are honoring Bakery Worker picket lines when encountered and complying with their contractual obligations when not encountering picket lines. The BCTGM leaders are putting Teamster members in a horrible position – asking them to support a strike that will put them out of a job when they haven't even asked all their members to go on strike.

That strike is now on the verge of forcing the company to liquidate – it is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the BCTGM Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike. We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote. Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.

But the Power, Size, and Money of the Teamsters in the end, could not save this group their jobs.
Thus the lie that the Power, Size, and Money will do a damn thing for us here at AA.
It is all a farce and a lie. Teamsters are Business Unionist that will cave in.
Why did not the Teamsters call every 1.4 million members to a sympahty strike and save these jobs?

TEAMSTERS failed period, they lost their jobs. You can post all the propaganda you want, but in the end, 1.4 million union members, and millions of dollars could not even save the hostess employees. Now lie some more.

 

[Anomaly]

But the Power, Size, and Money of the Teamsters in the end, could not save this group their jobs.
Thus the lie that the Power, Size, and Money will do a damn thing for us here at AA.
It is all a farce and a lie. Teamsters are Business Unionist that will cave in.
Why did not the Teamsters call every 1.4 million members to a sympahty strike and save these jobs?

TEAMSTERS failed period, they lost their jobs. You can post all the propaganda you want, but in the end, 1.4 million union members, and millions of dollars could not even save the hostess employees. Now lie some more.

Think about this for a second if you are able to wipe some of the hatred from your eyes....

As you said, not even the Teamsters could save the Twinkie,

How do you think amfa would be any better???? Maybe the same way the "saved" NWA mechanics????

 

[Anomaly]

I'm saying this is because of my experience's with labor unions. An labor Organization is for improving our economic status and working conditions through collective bargaining with employers. Theirs more to economic status then a market based wage. Some on here like to talk that up, like it's the only part of your economic good. (were wages are there only concern "market parity" - if they make 50 hr so will we) and we lose out in all the other economic areas, Medical, Retirement. Now the haters on here are going to say all unions are losing when it comes to med/retirement benefits - true?, I don't think so. Some unions have the re-sources to stop it or at least greatly lighten the blow. Now the hater want you to believe your only employment options are the airlines, and have a good laugh when the notices come out. Now dont you find this strange coming from guys that supports and have a "believe in" a Fraternal Association? So I have been with AMFA for some time and let me tell you what I now have.. A job (career?), I help pay for my Medical,(goes up every year), retirement - 401k, all the money comes from my wage. And a hourly wage thats is market based to keep me in the middle with Comparator Carriers... O and a Contract we can't seem to enforce. Hey but it is nice the way we wrote in the contract the means to work a closed door deal.

I suspect you became a shop rep to be an insider for the Industrial Union, and have never been a craft union supporter, but a mole instead.

If AMFA is YOU, then what do you want? An organization that is not YOU? Like an industrial union where you only have to pay your dues and "they" will take of everything for you?

Is that what you need and want?

And you think you should be voted out because you are here and post your opinion?

You are truly an industrial union taught and believer. So contact Local 14 members and make the change, it is your Federal Legal right.

Would you sellout your fellow man in exchange for a business agent appointment so you could get $160K for yourself?

You have issues man. This poster simply answered a request to explain himself. He did, and you go in to attack mode. You must have some other reason behind pushing amfa as hard as you do???

Here is another person besides myself who has first hand knowledge of how much worse your situation can get if you join the Association. You have become so brainwashed by the rhetoric you and others create on behalf of a group in which you do not belong, you fail to understand the warnings that are openly offered. In truth your arguments for amfa sound good in a speech, but dreams and ideology will do nothing to save your jobs, wages or benefits.

 

[TWU informer]

Think about this for a second if you are able to wipe some of the hatred from your eyes....

As you said, not even the Teamsters could save the Twinkie,

How do you think amfa would be any better???? Maybe the same way the "saved" NWA mechanics????

AMFA isn't the union campaiging on size, strength, and money claiming they are the best at "fighting" a corporation in bankruptcy.

AMFA isn't campaigning on lies and false promises.

And AMFA would never be representing the hostess twinkie worker to begin with, that is reserved for the catch all represent anybody that will pay dues ibt.

But hey keep spreading the BS, we are using it all to get AMFA cards.

 

[AA89]

AMFA isn't the union campaiging on size, strength, and money claiming they are the best at "fighting" a corporation in bankruptcy.

AMFA isn't campaigning on lies and false promises.

And AMFA would never be representing the hostess twinkie worker to begin with, that is reserved for the catch all represent anybody that will pay dues ibt.

But hey keep spreading the BS, we are using it all to get AMFA cards.

Teamsters: The Butchers, The Bakers, The Candlestick Makers.............and anyone else with dues to give.

I guess today was "wear your teamster shirt day. I saw the few Teamster t-shirts at AFW today and wondered why does anyone think they will be better represented by the Teamsters. I see 10 times as many AMFA shirts on any given day. I can only hope that translates to signed cards.

 

[Anomaly]

Teamsters: The Butchers, The Bakers, The Candlestick Makers.............and anyone else with dues to give.

I guess today was "wear your teamster shirt day. I saw the few Teamster t-shirts at AFW today and wondered why does anyone think they will be better represented by the Teamsters. I see 10 times as many AMFA shirts on any given day. I can only hope that translates to signed cards.

At the end of the day AA89, if the number of shirts does it for you.....

Good luck with that.

 

[TWU informer]

At the end of the day AA89, if the number of shirts does it for you.....

Good luck with that.

Shirts? Who needs shirts?
The Billboard on HWY 169 in Tulsa and the Lanyards is the real power.

 

[Anomaly]

Shirts? Who needs shirts?
The Billboard on HWY 169 in Tulsa and the Lanyards is the real power.

Angry little man

 

[TWU informer]

Angry little man

You really have a hard time with accepting the weakness of the ibt.
And even a tougher time responding with some intelligence.

 

[CIO]

Is it true,

The Teamster were driving around the picket signs in Tulsa at the Hostess plant on Sheridan?

I see the TWU members standing with the picketers.

Did AMFA have members their in support?

In Solidarity;
CIO

 

[TWU informer]

Is it true,

The Teamster were driving around the picket signs in Tulsa at the Hostess plant on Sheridan?

I see the TWU members standing with the picketers.

Did AMFA have members their in support?

In Solidarity;
CIO

So you will rollover like a yellow belly coward when the fight comes to your own members jobs, but yet you carry picket sign in "support" of other members baking bread? Why not start worrying about the bread, or lack there of, on your own members tables instead of the baking of real bread down at 11th at Sheridan.

COWARD ASS SMOKE SCREEN FARCE!

For over 10 years our headcount has dwindled even in the face of TWU concessions for jobs, and you do nothing.

Then you run down to 11th and Sheridan to make a public appearance with a picket to pretend to be a real union man. No friggin wonder the labor movement as a whole is being killed off. Ignorant asses like yourself that think unionism is a slogan, a tshirt, a picket sign, and big splash party, or some campaign yard sign...while the movement gets decimated.... while being an appointed leader believing this crap and getting extra pay to propagate it......well, in short we are all doomed. Unless leaders like yourself, change your views and grow a set of nads, instead making every issue into politics and defending a failing institution, you and me will both be screwed over from now on.