"I guess we're on the same page huh"
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Teamsters "raiding" TWU?
- Thread starter Ed Norton
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"I guess we're on the same page huh"
AMFAinMIAMI
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In an Attempt to draw attention to themselves (3) IBT organizer set up shop outside the AA hanger area across the street from the AMFA Informational meeting. As people drove by coming into work. From reports NOT many if any at all were seen visiting their tent setup. Even Teamster supporters came to the AMFA meeting talking to National officers ( Taking a AMFA cards ) as they left.
Miami is a AMFA card signed station with approx 90% from Aircraft Maintenance.
The Automotive and Facilities mechanics are now seeing that AMFA is not the union projected by the teamsters and as well have started to sign cards.
Its time for all who signed an AMFA card to get with your local Title II mechanics have them sign cards and lets get rid of the TWU..
Miami is a AMFA card signed station with approx 90% from Aircraft Maintenance.
The Automotive and Facilities mechanics are now seeing that AMFA is not the union projected by the teamsters and as well have started to sign cards.
Its time for all who signed an AMFA card to get with your local Title II mechanics have them sign cards and lets get rid of the TWU..
Good to hear. Thx for the update. Yea, I agree. Most people are getting the truth about AMFA, instead of the retoric the teamsters like to spread about AMFA. As most can see and have commented on, almost all the teamster/ibt supporters have gotten very quiet lately, or have lost interest all together. I must say they have taken some severe beat downs out here. Good luck with the drive. Any idea how close to a vote? Can't wait for you guys to come on board.
Well it sounds like AMFA.is a done deal at AA. Look at the good side after AA gets rid of most of you the rest can get on board with happy AA/AMFA team to make sure you get paid a market based wage with a medical/retirement you pay for. And a contract you will never be able to inforced.
I guess one of the benefits of having a spouse that works is you can compare plans and choose the better one. In my case we chose my wife's plan. Blows our crappy, worst in the industry plan away.
During the BK process, and our ATD let them get away with this, the company wasn't comparing our benefits to other airlines, they were comparing us to other large companies that would include McDonalds, WalMart etc etc, companies that typically provide crappy benefits that people don't build careers at. Our ATD did not challenge this even though we were supposed to just be addressing issues of competitiveness within the airline industry. Time and time again the company would cherry pick which figures they would cite, if the numbers favored just comparing to Legacy carriers, then they would use legacy carriers, if the numbers for a broader view of the industry were more favorable to their objectives, then they would use those figures, and in the case of Medical if looking outside this industry made their greedy objectives seem more reasonable then they would use those comparators. Few noticed how they switched around and the ATD didnt object to the cherry picking and allowed this skewed info to be consumed by the committees. Our ATD, and their "experts" would sit there silently. Yet if we referenced anything outside of what comparators the company chose they would jump up and say that we were cherry picking.
I opted to tell the company to keep their crappy overpriced worst in the industry health benefits and stop taking money out of my pay for stuff that used to be part of our pay. Concessions that they claim aren't pay cuts even though at the end of the year we end up with less money to spend on keeping our families clothed, sheltered and fed. Like I said, using the info they gave us I figured if we used $10000 worth of medical services I would have paid anywhere from $7500 to over $9000 in total for medical if I chose coverage from AA. If I didn't go to the doctor at all AA would have profited anywhere from $3000 to as much as $5000 from monies that came out of my paycheck.
AA expects us to treat this job as if they were still paying us like airline workers but they don't want to treat us like airline workers.
Flying low
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- Jul 19, 2011
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Explain why not....
I'm saying this is because of my experience's with labor unions. An labor Organization is for improving our economic status and working conditions through collective bargaining with employers. Theirs more to economic status then a market based wage. Some on here like to talk that up, like it's the only part of your economic good. (were wages are there only concern "market parity" - if they make 50 hr so will we) and we lose out in all the other economic areas, Medical, Retirement. Now the haters on here are going to say all unions are losing when it comes to med/retirement benefits - true?, I don't think so. Some unions have the re-sources to stop it or at least greatly lighten the blow. Now the hater want you to believe your only employment options are the airlines, and have a good laugh when the notices come out. Now dont you find this strange coming from guys that supports and have a "believe in" a Fraternal Association? So I have been with AMFA for some time and let me tell you what I now have.. A job (career?), I help pay for my Medical,(goes up every year), retirement - 401k, all the money comes from my wage. And a hourly wage thats is market based to keep me in the middle with Comparator Carriers... O and a Contract we can't seem to enforce. Hey but it is nice the way we wrote in the contract the means to work a closed door deal.
TWU informer
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- Nov 4, 2003
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What besides complaining here hiding behind your alias have you done to improve or change your plight?
You are here on the AA Forum complaining about AMFA.
Well be a real huckleberry, call the TWU Organizing Commitee get a card drive there, get the TWU certified there and enjoy what we have now, and then you will really have something to complain about.
We are represented by the most docile union in the industry, and you are here complaining about having one that you can control and change the leadership. Really?
Call the TWU and get something that will really have you complaining.
TWU informer
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TEAMSTERS SIZE, POWER, AND MONEY AT WORK
The Teamsters union, which represents 6,700 Hostess workers, issued a statement blaming mismanagement by Hostess executives for the company's problems. But it also was critical of the decision of Bakers' union, although it did not identify the union by name.
"Unfortunately, the company's operating and financial problems were so severe that it required steep concessions from a variety of stakeholders but not all stakeholders were willing to be constructive," said Ken Hall, the Teamsters' Secretary-Treasurer. "Teamster Hostess members, based on the facts and advice from respected restructuring advisors, understood what was at stake and voted to protect all jobs at Hostess."
TEAMSTERS FOR CONCESSIONS - JUST LIKE THE TWU
The Teamsters union, which represents 6,700 Hostess workers, issued a statement blaming mismanagement by Hostess executives for the company's problems. But it also was critical of the decision of Bakers' union, although it did not identify the union by name.
"Unfortunately, the company's operating and financial problems were so severe that it required steep concessions from a variety of stakeholders but not all stakeholders were willing to be constructive," said Ken Hall, the Teamsters' Secretary-Treasurer. "Teamster Hostess members, based on the facts and advice from respected restructuring advisors, understood what was at stake and voted to protect all jobs at Hostess."
TEAMSTERS FOR CONCESSIONS - JUST LIKE THE TWU
AMFAinMIAMI
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All the talk here about the NWA strike and how AMFA lost jobs, Looks as though the striking Teamsters at Hostess will all be out of jobs as the company will soon shut down.
Will this cause the Teamsters to admit that when the company shuts down or even sells off the name, they lost JOBS?
There are even article that members of the Teamsters even crossed the picket lines.
So tell us all you IBT supporters how does that make you feel that with all the mud slinging
you have done about Amfa striking at NWA and how they lost jobs, the IBT does as well.
They even cross their own picket lines as well.
So does that mean that the Almighty IBT is like any other union?
Will this cause the Teamsters to admit that when the company shuts down or even sells off the name, they lost JOBS?
There are even article that members of the Teamsters even crossed the picket lines.
So tell us all you IBT supporters how does that make you feel that with all the mud slinging
you have done about Amfa striking at NWA and how they lost jobs, the IBT does as well.
They even cross their own picket lines as well.
So does that mean that the Almighty IBT is like any other union?
hiding???? Seriously, now don't get mad this is only a question, Are you some kind of a moron? To improve my plight I became a shop rep. Working within AMFA to try to improve things, I now believe AMFA just can't do it. If you took it as complaining, sorry I wasn't, I believe I said "We" so I'm right there to blame with AMFA. Now see if there system works contact Local 14 let them know I am here so I can be voted out. I will let you know how that worked out for me.
The teamsters voted yes to more concessions to hostess.
The bakers said no more concessions.
Where did you fail?
And what could another union have done to change your failure?
Anomaly
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- Jun 2, 2012
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You have issues man. This poster simply answered a request to explain himself. He did, and you go in to attack mode. You must have some other reason behind pushing amfa as hard as you do???
Here is another person besides myself who has first hand knowledge of how much worse your situation can get if you join the Association. You have become so brainwashed by the rhetoric you and others create on behalf of a group in which you do not belong, you fail to understand the warnings that are openly offered. In truth your arguments for amfa sound good in a speech, but dreams and ideology will do nothing to save your jobs, wages or benefits.
