Teamsters "raiding" TWU?

[swamt]

AMFA at AA, since Anomaly admits he works at UAL why should anyone here at AA even discuss things with him he's an IBT member at UAL.

He's a paid stooge to promote the teamsters at AA along with the TWU supporting this action to try and get AMFA stopped. When 2 unions have to band together to try and prevent AMFA from coming in just tells me that the AMFA drive is going extremely well. Keep up the good work guys, it will pay off for you all in the end.

 

[Anomaly]

AMFA at AA, since Anomaly admits he works at UAL why should anyone here at AA even discuss things with him he's an IBT member at UAL.

He's a paid stooge to promote the teamsters at AA along with the TWU supporting this action to try and get AMFA stopped. When 2 unions have to band together to try and prevent AMFA from coming in just tells me that the AMFA drive is going extremely well. Keep up the good work guys, it will pay off for you all in the end.

AMFA at AA??, since swamt admits he works at SWA why should anyone here at AA even discuss things with him he's an amfa member at SWA

He's a paid stooge to promote the association at AA

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Why MUST you always be such a LIAR?

I KNOW FOR A FACT, that the IBT meeting a few weeks ago was presided by my business agent, a mechanic with over 40 years experience, plus two other mechanics with combined seniority of over 50 years. All three were from UA and CO. I understand there was a Teamster former truck driver who was in the room, but he was the one sponsoring the meeting. He PAID for the thing. The meeting was presented by AIRCRAFT MECHANICS.

WHY MUST YOU LIE??????

Now, would YOUR business agent be someone appointed or elected by the full membership? And if YOUR business agent is hired without full membership input via election then YOUR teamsters are no different from the twu.

 

[Anomaly]

Yet another X-NWA/AMFA mech telling the world he would still vote for AMFA if he had to make a choice on a union vote. It has also been posted before on here but deserves another repeat; "All the X-NWA mechs at both AA as well as at UAL have "all" signed AMFA cards instead of teamsters, TWU or IAM." This speaks volumes about AMFA's representation at NWA. Not all the BS the teamster and TWU cheerleaders are still trying to float by everyone. These guys all know AMFA did in fact make a mistake, AMFA admitted this mistake, and learned from it. They did not point fingers at others and their members or any other union or the company for their faults, like the teamsters and TWU do, have done, and still do to this day... They always blame anyone and everyone else instead of owning up to it themselves like AMFA does and did at NWA.

You are so full of BS. How can you or anyone know that ALL the ex NWA mechanics still support amfa? Your willingness to create crap is telling.

 

[Anomaly]

I see anomaly is back and up to his same ol-BS. Little does he know that the AMFA/AA crew have "in writing" the proof that AMFA in fact did much better than the ibt in BK negos. I am tired of repeating myself, just pull up the UAL contract, look at the dates, then read to see all the protections that AMFA did get them. I see he still lies, ect... He was gone for awhile after myself and others exposed each and every lie and faulse actuations. Now he comes back thinking everyone has just forgot about his reputation here on the board. To this day no one takes his postings as truth. He has been proven wrong too many times, and now thinks that time away will fix his image... Glad he came back, the teamsters need his help, so by all means keep posting anomaly, keep posting.

You exposed nothing. Your explanation is like saying all Republicans are liars because the Democrats proved it. You have different opinions based on ex-employees and ex-amfa leaders. Yes, please read the contract, and the 20% outsourcing arbitration decision. Even an independent arbitrator wrote that amfa made the situation worse and not better. The Teamsters even put the ex amfa rep on the three member panel to try to sway the position of the neutral but he could not overcome all the damage done by amfa.

What you have are spins and hype. amfa will do you more har than good. We found this out at UAL the hard way. Look at ALL the other previously represented airlines for further proof of this.

 

[Anomaly]

Now, would YOUR business agent be someone appointed or elected by the full membership? And if YOUR business agent is hired without full membership input via election then YOUR teamsters are no different from the twu.

Ken, come on? Is that all you have?

Would your airline rep at amfa be the most popular or the most qualified?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken, come on? Is that all you have?

Would your airline rep at amfa be the most popular or the most qualified?

Is YOUR business agent appointed or elected by the membership? It's YOUR union so which is it?

Of course you can't say YOUR business agent is elected because that would be a lie. Hence, the teamsters are the same as the twu. So why should AA AMTs replace one industrial, catch all, undemocratic, unaccountable union for something just like it?

Go AMFA!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I KNOW FOR A FACT, that the IBT meeting a few weeks ago was presided by my business agent, a mechanic with over 40 years experience, plus two other mechanics with combined seniority of over 50 years. All three were from UA and CO. I understand there was a Teamster former truck driver who was in the room, but he was the one sponsoring the meeting. He PAID for the thing. The meeting was presented by AIRCRAFT MECHANICS.

Anomaly

If this is true was he the biz agent from LAX or SFO? since at UAL you can be on the same crew working in SFO and not have any voting rights there. You can be assigned to the LAX local. Because they paid for the organizing campaign.
That was told to me by Robert Fisher here in Miami during the meeting at the hotel hosted by our member in bad standing none other than TW. our UTube star.....

We had members from the IBT local 769 in Florida, who didn't know that they did not represent all IBT members in Florida when they said he did. THey even lied about who represented the IBT members who are covered by the RLA.

Robert Fisher also said that Biz reps are appointed and that the person here in Miami who they felt rose to the top like cream would be the agent for us at Local 769.
So he could be someone that NO ONE WANTS, He is appointed.

Chris Moore made a statement that the IBT forced UAL to build new hangers as well to support the new work they have brought back. Well another LIE...

Per your SRVP of Operations the hangers are being built to support the new 787 aircraft. OH by the way they are being given to the CAL mechanics? IAD and NWK.
That had NOTHING to do with the IBT, or are you going to say the IBT forced UAL to buy 787's. NOT..

You have hangers in SFO empty, so why did the IBT let that happen to YOU UAL guys. Are the CAL amts in better standing than the UAL amts in the eyes of the IBT.

The IBT also told the continental guys that they would not attemp to organize the ramp but they did, with the support of Jim little who wrote Hoffa a letter. BUT THEY
LOST TO THE IAM>>>>>>

YOU can't remove officers from the IBT locals because everyone in the local votes on them so if the butcher,baker and candle stick maker like him he stays.

At the IBT you pay more dues as well. That is because they said its for a strike fund.
Being a Legacy carrier you will never be able to strike so that extra money is for the butcher, baker and candle stick maker when they go on strike. NO YOU..

How are you going to feel when the IBT lets UAL do away with the Pension of the CAL mechanics, since YOU dont have one it would not be fair to YOU now would it.

HOW are you going to SPIN THAT, the IBT will screw the CAL amt's and YOU will let them. You will sing thier praises and tell us that it was UAL, NOT the IBT's failure.

 

[iluvaa]

But really why would we go with the devil we don't know (IBT) or stay with the devil we do know (TWU) if those were the only choices I for one would rather stay with the TWU. Who on earth would want to leave a crap union for a #### union. So if we really want a change the only choice we have is AMFA. I personally don't care what people from other carriers think this is our choice

 

[iluvaa]

But since everyone gives opinions anyway why would I choose the IBT over the TWU. And please don't mention AMFA one time or you will prove my point

 

[enough already]

How many amfa?

000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

FOOL!!

 

[xUT]

You exposed nothing. Your explanation is like saying all Republicans are liars because the Democrats proved it. You have different opinions based on ex-employees and ex-amfa leaders. Yes, please read the contract, and the 20% outsourcing arbitration decision. Even an independent arbitrator wrote that amfa made the situation worse and not better. The Teamsters even put the ex amfa rep on the three member panel to try to sway the position of the neutral but he could not overcome all the damage done by amfa.

What you have are spins and hype. amfa will do you more har than good. We found this out at UAL the hard way. Look at ALL the other previously represented airlines for further proof of this.

Of course, you have documentation of that.
Linky please.
B) xUT

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Just another splendid example of this SHAM teamsters drive....

First, the USAirways site...

http://www.teamster.org/USAirTeam

The ibt attacking the incumbant Union, the IAM

Now the American site ...

http://www.teamster.org/aamx

The ibt says nothing about the TWU and instead attacks AMFA.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

...The association through the mechanics at NWA provided a textbook example of how to beat ALL unionized mechanics...

Thats fearmongering and nothing more.

Anyone who trys to peddle your so called "textbook example" on how to beat mechanics unions hasn't done their homework.

The fallout of the NWA bankruptcy wasn't just confined to the employees of NWA. Many of those outside companies and vendors were also left high and dry by the courts.

NWA not only screwed their employees, they also screwed the hired strike security, the bus transportation company for the scabs, as well as the hotels housing the scabs just to name a few, for a great deal of money.

All these groups have their own industry associations, and just like the airlines they meet and share issues facing them all.

The next time an airline starts housing replacement workers, or hiring extra security, or arranging transportation....all those companies are going to demand cash in hand.....which of course means the likelyhood of another NWA episode is next to zero.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Ken, come on? Is that all you have?

Would your airline rep at amfa be the most popular or the most qualified?

I want to know what it is that you think you have.

Petrovsky was gifted a position here at UAL because he led the ibt card drive, period.

There were several other ibt organizers with a great deal more experience than Rich, who would've been better suited to fill the BA role, so spare me and others here that teamster appointments garner you the "most qualified"