Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[swamt]

I SAIDSo while you look down on my substandard contract as you say with your SWA contract pay that the IBT was involved in and got you your BIGGEST pay jumps to get you were you are today. You Need To Try my shoes on and walk a mile.
Like I said The IBT WORKED FOR ME.)

I QUOTED A FACT. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS. ARE YOU LEARNING BAD HABITS FROM 700.

Have A Nice IBT Day

Wrong again Travis. I was responding to your post #532 in which you stated, and I quote, "The IBT Has Set The Wage Bar AT Most Airlines As It Did At SWA And Other's." ibt had nothing to do with our current wage scale. AMFA set that bar way back with NWA. I am not looking down on your contract, I am only making corrections when people lie about my company, my union, or my contract, period...

 

[swamt]

Ok 700 thanks for the spell ck. LIAR!
Post your link as I did.
We called the IBT and they said this is not a IBT Flier!
As I said my IAM Shop Steward handed me a copy and said it was from the IAM.

HERE ARE THE IBT WEB CAMPAIGN INFO. ON SENIORITY AT BOTH AA AND US..

US IBT WEB..
http://www.teamster....ction_Flier.pdf

http://www.teamster....er_12-20-12.pdf

AA IBT WEB

http://www.teamster....ction_flier.pdf

http://www.teamster....A_Mechanics.pdf

http://www.teamster....ndEquitable.pdf

What's Up 700 The IAM Have To Write It's On Lies On Fliers Now And Make Them Look Like They Came From The IBT.....

Have A Nice IBT Day..

And of course the ibt/teamsters that you called is telling the truth. Just like you have posted previously that they knew nothing about the forgery/fraudulent charges being made in the AA card drive. Yea, teamsters always tell the truth---NOT!!!

 

[swamt]

ANOTHER LIE DUDE.

According to the the IBT negotiated agreement for Southwest Mechanics in effect August 16, 2001 to August, 16 2005;

Mechanics with at least 12 years were paid base rate $32.00 plus $1.30 longevity plus $4.00 for an A&P license ($6.00 if you also have an avionics certificate) plus 100% profit sharing what ever that turned out to be. You were making at least $37.30 which was most definitely industry leading with the Teamster negotiated agreement.

In contrast, a table I found from 2009 has the all in rates (base, license, longevity, skill) for equivalent top earners at several airlines;

UA - $31.69 Air Tran - $34.58 AA- $32.75 CO - $32.84 Delta - $31.81 US - $30.88

By this same year, Southwest was up to $41.32 (with increases paid for by outsourcing maintenance to El Salvador).

How can you argue that the IBT did not create industry leading wages at WN?? You and UPS have always been on top. Everyone knows that (to use one of your favorite phrases).

You claim that the IBT looked to NWA mechanics represented by amfa as a model and point of inspiration? Are you sure you want to make that claim? After all, because of amfa the union mechanics at NWA were replaced by workers willing to take pennies to the dollar.

Re-read the post DA. I already said the teamsters were our representational union at the time we received our big raises. HOWEVER, I also posted that our big raises, along with the rest of the industry, was directly tied to the fact that AMFA was the union that got the NEW "industry leading wages" brought to our mechanics in this industry from AMFA's nego's at NWA. AMFA was THE union to bring the wages we all enjoy currently to our industry, period...

 

[swamt]

And then amfa sat back and watched as each of their members were replaced by non union mechanics. How many hours did the NWA amfa members enjoy the "industry leading" wages? Nice joke Mr Comedian.

Lucky for all of us, no other union was stupid enough to follow amfa.

What AMFA did at NWA was not just for the NWA mechanics. It was done for the industry, all of us, as we all now are fortified with the current wages we all enjoy today. Even the mechanics that have all gone thru BK's, they would be making much less if it was not for AMFA at NWA in 2001. You see AMFA is more for the industry not the "I got mine" like the industrial unions are. Here's a quote below to remind you what AMFA did do for the industry;

...The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association said Wednesday members voted 82%-17% for the contract, which will make Northwest's 9,000 mechanics the best-paid in their industry. The 4-year contract will be signed Friday and takes effect May 12. "This is a very important day at Northwest," says company spokesman Doug Killian....

 

[swamt]

In 2001, the IBT negotiated a contract at Southwest Airlines giving the mechanics an industry leading and unheard of wage of nearly $40.00 an hour to the top earners by 2005. This was in addition to a generous profit sharing plan. This contract did NOT lead to the eventual death of the craft as with NWA and held strong enough by the end of the term to allow for a further increase by amfa (although they gave up domestic stations in return for higher wages).

Teamsters negotiates strong, responsible contracts that will not have you looking for another job by mid term because the company either folded or entered bankruptcy and hired replacement workers. If you want unrealistic and unsustainable wages, join dream team amfa. They have ocean front property in Arizona.

Once again, the ibt used the AMFA/NWA contract of 2001 to help the increase at SWA. They were directly used by our nego cmte to get our wages higher than theirs. If AMFA did not nego the contract they nego at NWA in 2001 none of us would be enjoying the wages we enjoy today, including you at your carrier, PERIOD...

 

[swamt]

Unbelievable.

With this post you have just revealed just how truly pathetic you are.

After what the industry has been through as a whole, for you to have the unmitigated audacity to in any way infer that it was the NWA AMFA contract that bankrupted the carrier shows the true depth of your obvious lack of character.

People like you are a stain on Unionism.

This is exactly why I encourage him to continue to post for the teamsters. He is a great promoter for all other unions, just not the teamsters, LOL. BTW, thx for the contract dates.
Something else he cannot brag about is the support that SWA/AMFA mechanics gave to our brothers and sisters at NWA during their time of need during the strike. We were the only union that provided on going support to them in the amount of 10K per month. These monies were paying NWA mechanics on strike and going straight to their car payments, house payments, health bills, elect bills, gas bills, any bills so that they could continue their strike without worries. No other union or local, other than AMFA loc 11 can say the same, and yes Anomaly, we had plenty of money to do it, and it was overwhelmingly voted in by the membership to do it at a monthly meeting. Can your teamsters say that they supported the AMFA/NWA strike? NO, they cannot...

 

[TRAVIS]

Wrong again Travis. I was responding to your post #532 in which you stated, and I quote, "The IBT Has Set The Wage Bar AT Most Airlines As It Did At SWA And Other's." ibt had nothing to do with our current wage scale. AMFA set that bar way back with NWA. I am not looking down on your contract, I am only making corrections when people lie about my company, my union, or my contract, period...

How ever you want to say it swamt it still was a signed IBT contract at that time.
I quote youYou are correct Travis. I have never said that it was while AMFA was at SWA that we recieved our big raises. The teamsters were the representational union at the time we recieved our big raise. However, it was directly related to the fact that the NWA guys with AMFA nego the "new and improved" wage rates for them that got us what we got at that time. I have never denied this fact. Nor will I ever. Good luck to you guys. )
I stand by my post as it was not AMFA who negotiated your Teamsters contract at that time and your just lucky you did not have the IAM or TWU.

 

[Anomaly]

What AMFA did at NWA was not just for the NWA mechanics. It was done for the industry, all of us, as we all now are fortified with the current wages we all enjoy today. Even the mechanics that have all gone thru BK's, they would be making much less if it was not for AMFA at NWA in 2001. You see AMFA is more for the industry not the "I got mine" like the industrial unions are. Here's a quote below to remind you what AMFA did do for the industry;

...The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association said Wednesday members voted 82%-17% for the contract, which will make Northwest's 9,000 mechanics the best-paid in their industry. The 4-year contract will be signed Friday and takes effect May 12. "This is a very important day at Northwest," says company spokesman Doug Killian....

Wrong again guy. amfa was not the only union in a fight against the company. But they were the only ones who risked it all, including the rest of the industry on an ill conceived and under prepared strike.

http://www.indybay.o...show_comments=1

You say the NWA mechanics did this for the good of the industry? I say the amfa provided a road map that other carriers were able to learn from in order to gut wages and pensions from their respective employees. I thank the amfa leadership at NWA for teaching UA how to maneuver a bankruptcy and steal my pension, wages, and benefits.

http://www.dailykos....o-vote-on-deal#
http://www.aviationp...rthwest-vs-amfa
http://international....php?article858
http://www.labornote...orthwest-strike

All these articles are amfa leaning and the last is written by two former amfa activists at UA. None of them say what you do. In fact, all of them point to the many failures of amfa.

Sadly enough, amfa created the defeat of the strike at NWA years before it started by allowing maintenance to be done by vendors.

http://www.teamster....lines(2008).pdf

Like they repeated at Southwest Airlines, amfa at NWA allowed outsourcing in favor of higher wages.

However, NWA offered the wages they did (in my opinion) with every intention of taking it all back in bankruptcy. Offer a ton of money to the workers and then go cry to a bankruptcy judge how the bully unions forced you in to financial ruin. The plan worked so well other carriers decided to give it a try. The IAM and amfa did the same thing at UA. How many other airline union employees lost wages this way. Sure, we had huge raises, and like NWA gave it all back plus interest and much much more.

http://www.dailykos....o-vote-on-deal#
"Before the strike, many Northwest mechanics in the Twin Cities were earning about $36 an hour. Under Northwest's new contract, (settled after the strike) the top rate of pay is $26.53."

NOT YOU!! The Teamsters representing Southwest negotiated solid contracts that were industry leading AND YOU GOT TO KEEP THE MONEY.

Unlike NWA, UAL, US, AA, and many many others, you had no give backs or concessions. This is a fact that you CAN NOT dispute.

 

[allstrike]

I posted the flier that was recieved yesterday, you prove its wrong, you are the one who claimed its a fraud, yet you havent posted any information to prove its a fraud.

By the way, its spelled Liar, not "Lire" but you should be use to lies, thats all the ibt spreads.

Well let help the simple country boy out here.Don't worry about my spelling cause I don't care ok.first off I looked at your links to the document in question. I found a couple of interesting things. I down loaded the pdf you posted and right clicked on it then clicked properties, curious thing its author is James Carlson.Doing a search I find he works for the IAMAW.Funny huuu and send off why would the teamsters send you anything your not even an active IAM member.

 

[700UW]

Thats because it was sent to him from AA at JFK and ORD and he converted it to a PDF file from a JPG.

 

[swamt]

How ever you want to say it swamt it still was a signed IBT contract at that time.
I quote youYou are correct Travis. I have never said that it was while AMFA was at SWA that we recieved our big raises. The teamsters were the representational union at the time we recieved our big raise. However, it was directly related to the fact that the NWA guys with AMFA nego the "new and improved" wage rates for them that got us what we got at that time. I have never denied this fact. Nor will I ever. Good luck to you guys. )
I stand by my post as it was not AMFA who negotiated your Teamsters contract at that time and your just lucky you did not have the IAM or TWU.

Looky there, I think you finally got it. No AMFA did not nego our contract we are speaking of, but it was because of AMFA at NWA that got us we got. BTW; don't forget that we fired the teamsters as soon as we signed this contract in a record 2 week card drive to remove the teamsters. Now why did we do that after we got our big contract? Hmmmm...

 

[swamt]

Wrong again guy. amfa was not the only union in a fight against the company. But they were the only ones who risked it all, including the rest of the industry on an ill conceived and under prepared strike.

http://www.indybay.o...show_comments=1

You say the NWA mechanics did this for the good of the industry? I say the amfa provided a road map that other carriers were able to learn from in order to gut wages and pensions from their respective employees. I thank the amfa leadership at NWA for teaching UA how to maneuver a bankruptcy and steal my pension, wages, and benefits.

http://www.dailykos....o-vote-on-deal#
http://www.aviationp...rthwest-vs-amfa
http://international....php?article858
http://www.labornote...orthwest-strike

All these articles are amfa leaning and the last is written by two former amfa activists at UA. None of them say what you do. In fact, all of them point to the many failures of amfa.

Sadly enough, amfa created the defeat of the strike at NWA years before it started by allowing maintenance to be done by vendors.

http://www.teamster....lines(2008).pdf

Like they repeated at Southwest Airlines, amfa at NWA allowed outsourcing in favor of higher wages.

However, NWA offered the wages they did (in my opinion) with every intention of taking it all back in bankruptcy. Offer a ton of money to the workers and then go cry to a bankruptcy judge how the bully unions forced you in to financial ruin. The plan worked so well other carriers decided to give it a try. The IAM and amfa did the same thing at UA. How many other airline union employees lost wages this way. Sure, we had huge raises, and like NWA gave it all back plus interest and much much more.

http://www.dailykos....o-vote-on-deal#
"Before the strike, many Northwest mechanics in the Twin Cities were earning about $36 an hour. Under Northwest's new contract, (settled after the strike) the top rate of pay is $26.53."

NOT YOU!! The Teamsters representing Southwest negotiated solid contracts that were industry leading AND YOU GOT TO KEEP THE MONEY.

Unlike NWA, UAL, US, AA, and many many others, you had no give backs or concessions. This is a fact that you CAN NOT dispute.

All you have posted is old news. One key difference is that AMFA admitted to their mistakes they made at NWA. No other union has done that publically thru-out the past BK negos, none of them. One item you mention is this; "Like they repeated at Southwest Airlines, amfa at NWA allowed outsourcing in favor of higher wages." Not saying you are saying it this way, but need to clarify. SWA did not add any extra lines of outsourced maint when they decided to go to ElSolvador. They actually moved lines of maint outsourced in the USA to ElSolvador, all maint being done at ElSolvador use to be done here in the USA until one of the facilities were not operating up to par so SWA moved the maint. Please post some new news, it's getting old with all your reposts and repeats.

 

[700UW]

http://youtu.be/_5CF6qZ_eCc

 

[Anomaly]

All you have posted is old news. One key difference is that AMFA admitted to their mistakes they made at NWA. No other union has done that publically thru-out the past BK negos, none of them. One item you mention is this; "Like they repeated at Southwest Airlines, amfa at NWA allowed outsourcing in favor of higher wages." Not saying you are saying it this way, but need to clarify. SWA did not add any extra lines of outsourced maint when they decided to go to ElSolvador. They actually moved lines of maint outsourced in the USA to ElSolvador, all maint being done at ElSolvador use to be done here in the USA until one of the facilities were not operating up to par so SWA moved the maint. Please post some new news, it's getting old with all your reposts and repeats.

First it was a sacrifice for the good of the industry now it is a MISTAKE?

Either way, amfa "admitted" only that they failed by blaming every other union for their failure. "We are sorry that the other unions would not support our stupid decision" is not admitting a mistake.

EL SALVADOR - amfa. the union for the industry, agrees with the company (and apparently you too swamt) that American workers are not "up to par" with mechanics in other third world countries??? And they create an agreement allowing good jobs to leave this country??? You call this "for the good of the industry"?? You mean management, right??

 

[CactUSmx]

http://www.iamdl142.org/Observer/142Spring2012%20FINAL.pdf