Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[TRAVIS]

The Life Time Recall Works More For The Unions Than You As It Pads The List To Make It Harder To Remove A Union, The IAM Makes Good Use Of This Tactic And I Bet That Was A IAM Thing At UAL.

I would Think It Is More Important to Get Furloughed Members Back To Work Than To Be On A Recall List For 10 Years or Longer.

WE Have Been Hiring Off The Street At US Airways For Years. The People Who Wanted To Move Have A Job And Are Back.

All you AMFA BOY's Are Still MAD Because The IBT TOOK YOUR MEAL TICKET UAL AWAY FROM YOU And Others!
You do understand You AMFA Boys WERE VOTED OUT By The Other AIRLINES You Represented .....
You do understand You Only Have Around 2600 Due Paying Members And That's Why You Don't Have The Money To Run A Campaign or Protect Your Members and I'am NOT Endorsing The IAM But They As Do The IBT Have The Money To Fight For You.
Your Track Record For Failure Is HIGH NWA / ALL The Airlines That VOTED YOU OUT/ And Now The FAILED Filling At AA.
Also Your Failed Negotiations At SWA and as you boys say you have other things to do at this time than a Contract!!!!
Let ME Tell You This That Will Not FLY HERE AT US/AA.......

Have A Nice IBT DAY!!

 

[1AA]

Oh Travis you must be sipping the cooking sherry again. Your posts are so full of yourself. No one in their rightmind would prefer ten year recall over lifetime. I guess you did not watch the movie "The Red Tail". Let me say this. Here at AA the teamsters have less support than the twu. As much as we hate the twu we know the teamsters are worse. If a we get a vote the Amfa writin will get more votes than the twu and the teamsters will probably end up in a losing runoff. But I doubt I will see a ballot anytime soon. Like I said earlier we outnumber you guys and if a runoff sould occur between usair and aa after the merger there will be enough votes offsetting your lovely teamsters. The vote will be split between the twu, iam, Amfa and the teamsters. Guess who will not win? We at aa are all over the teamsters corruption and lies. Good luck if you vote them in. It will be short lived.

 

[xUT]

The Life Time Recall Works More For The Unions Than You As It Pads The List To Make It Harder To Remove A Union, The IAM Makes Good Use Of This Tactic And I Bet That Was A IAM Thing At UAL.

I would Think It Is More Important to Get Furloughed Members Back To Work Than To Be On A Recall List For 10 Years or Longer.

WE Have Been Hiring Off The Street At US Airways For Years. The People Who Wanted To Move Have A Job And Are Back.

All you AMFA BOY's Are Still MAD Because The IBT TOOK YOUR MEAL TICKET UAL AWAY FROM YOU And Others!
You do understand You AMFA Boys WERE VOTED OUT By The Other AIRLINES You Represented .....
You do understand You Only Have Around 2600 Due Paying Members And That's Why You Don't Have The Money To Run A Campaign or Protect Your Members and I'am NOT Endorsing The IAM But They As Do The IBT Have The Money To Fight For You.
Your Track Record For Failure Is HIGH NWA / ALL The Airlines That VOTED YOU OUT/ And Now The FAILED Filling At AA.
Also Your Failed Negotiations At SWA and as you boys say you have other things to do at this time than a Contract!!!!
Let ME Tell You This That Will Not FLY HERE AT US/AA.......

Have A Nice IBT DAY!!

Why are concentrating on AMFA?
Isn't this vote an IAM-IBT thing?
Can't defend the ibt, deflect and interject AMFA.
Don't address the facts.
Yea I got it, ibt can't win on it's own merit.
Obfuscate, turn on the razzle dazzle.

 

[CactUSmx]

The ex-UAL mechanics that are on furlough that I work with at US tell me they have lifetime recall rights.....where did the 10 year recall rights come from????

 

[1AA]

The ex-UAL mechanics that are on furlough that I work with at US tell me they have lifetime recall rights.....where did the 10 year recall rights come from????

Your buddy Travis was the first who mentioned it. Where he got it from? You have to ask him.

 

[1AA]

I work with a furloughed UAL guy. He mentioned to me a while back that he has lifetime recall rights back to the station he was furloughed from. He also has recall rights to other UAL stations if there is a opening.

 

[TRAVIS]

Your buddy Travis was the first who mentioned it. Where he got it from? You have to ask him.

I did not say that I said: I would Think It Is More Important to Get Furloughed Members Back To Work Than To Be On A Recall List For 10 Years or Longer.
1AA said: I guess you did not watch the movie "The Red Tail". Let me say this. Here at AA the teamsters have less support than the twu.
The film is a fictionalized portrayal, We live in the REAL WORLD and as far as LESS support The IBT FILED. What are you putting on the popcorn?

Have a Nice IBT DAY!

 

[1AA]

I did not say that I said: I would Think It Is More Important to Get Furloughed Members Back To Work Than To Be On A Recall List For 10 Years or Longer.
1AA said: I guess you did not watch the movie "The Red Tail". Let me say this. Here at AA the teamsters have less support than the twu.
The film is a fictionalized portrayal, We live in the REAL WORLD and as far as LESS support The IBT FILED. What are you putting on the popcorn?

Have a Nice IBT DAY!

I said you mentioned it. I did not say you were the source. Please read carefully.

I guess by your fictional response you did not watch the movie. The strike was NOT fiction and the work going to China was real. The guys losing their jobs was NOT fictional. They fought to save their jobs and to keep the work in house, specifically in the USA. This is not fiction. This actually happened. Man, what is with you?

Are you a AMT or what? You are pathetic if you believe that hard working risk taking fellow AMT's fought to keep their jobs and were willing to lose it all. I am convinced by all your responses and one line posts and cartoons that there is no help for you. You can not see clearly because I truly believe you are a paid IBT organizer and are in line for a business agent position. You need to stand in picket lines like I did in the past in support of the Eastern, UAL and NWA guys. I even supported our flight attendants at AA during the Thanksgiving week strike back in 93. What have you done to support past union protests against management?

Just because the IBT filed does not mean they have more support.
IBT filed to block out AMFA since AMFA has more signed cards. But that is past us now. Now the IBT has to challenge 1,300 names on the list that they have no supporting documentation to fight it and the forgery accusation from the TWU. Funny how the IBT is challenging the 1,300 furloughed employees at AA saying they have no voting rights if an election is called but when they knocked on furloughed employees doors at UAL they made sure they were included. The IBT wants to deny UNION members a vote on which union to choose. How pathetic and screwed up the IBT is. Is this a union you really think will better your career at USAir? Really?

 

[TRAVIS]

LOL MY BAD 1AA...... Your right I did not see that Movie, I thought you were were talking about THE RED TAILS........

I'll see if I have time to check it out. Next time use a link....I'll bet I was not the only one on here who had the wrong movie at mind.

Have a Nice IBT Day.

 

[TRAVIS]

I said you mentioned it. I did not say you were the source. Please read carefully.

I guess by your fictional response you did not watch the movie. The strike was NOT fiction and the work going to China was real. The guys losing their jobs was NOT fictional. They fought to save their jobs and to keep the work in house, specifically in the USA. This is not fiction. This actually happened. Man, what is with you?

Are you a AMT or what? You are pathetic if you believe that hard working risk taking fellow AMT's fought to keep their jobs and were willing to lose it all. I am convinced by all your responses and one line posts and cartoons that there is no help for you. You can not see clearly because I truly believe you are a paid IBT organizer and are in line for a business agent position. You need to stand in picket lines like I did in the past in support of the Eastern, UAL and NWA guys. I even supported our flight attendants at AA during the Thanksgiving week strike back in 93. What have you done to support past union protests against management?

Just because the IBT filed does not mean they have more support.
IBT filed to block out AMFA since AMFA has more signed cards. But that is past us now. Now the IBT has to challenge 1,300 names on the list that they have no supporting documentation to fight it and the forgery accusation from the TWU. Funny how the IBT is challenging the 1,300 furloughed employees at AA saying they have no voting rights if an election is called but when they knocked on furloughed employees doors at UAL they made sure they were included. The IBT wants to deny UNION members a vote on which union to choose. How pathetic and screwed up the IBT is. Is this a union you really think will better your career at USAir? Really?

FUNNY HOW AMFA WAS WAITING FOR THE FURLOUGHED LIST TO RUN OUT BEFORE THEY WOULD FILE AT AA AND CAME RIGHT OUT ON HERE AND SAID IT Or That Was Just Another Excuse For Not Having The Cards To File At That Time. I Think That Was You And swamt Over On The AA Forums That Posted That. If you want I can go and cut and post it for you...

Have A Nice IBT Day

 

[1AA]

FUNNY HOW AMFA WAS WAITING FOR THE FURLOUGHED LIST TO RUN OUT BEFORE THEY WOULD FILE AT AA AND CAME RIGHT OUT ON HERE AND SAID IT Or That Was Just Another Excuse For Not Having The Cards To File At That Time. I Think That Was You And swamt Over On The AA Forums That Posted That. If you want I can go and cut and post it for you...

Have A Nice IBT Day

The furlough list from 2003 did expire at AA before the IBT filed.
The 1,300 on the list now are from the recent furloughs that did not want to be displaced to another station.

 

[Socplat13]

Certainly not deniable. My comment to 700 was correct though that United puts more money into a topped out mechanic's retirement, than it does into an IAM United employee's IAMPF. The cost of the retirement plan is what I look at. I'll let the IBT use their IBT math, and the IAM use its IAM math in figuring out all the bull S of what comes out of the plans 30 years after vesting. Just because someone has a defined pension [something that is quite dinosauric in the midst of current tax laws] doesn't mean its better. And with the IAM, we have learned twice this decade that future benefits get 're defined'. As an IAM member, my pension has been pounded by the IAM pension trustees each time the pension fund suffers a big membership loss. The last one was the drop dead letter I received 3 days after Delta voted out the IAM. Trust me, it's no fun getting a letter from your union pension saying "Tuffa Lucka your defined benefit has been slashed in half." Bad things man, bad things. I personally wouldn't want to be in any union pension. Why the hell should a 3rd party get the money to manage? Manage the money yourself and have more access and control.

Every time you talk about the IAM National Pension Plan you reveal how misinformed you are.

The average UAL Mechanic earned $64,970 in 2012 (Interestingly, US Airways Mechanics earned more--$67,476-- because of increased overtime opportunities due to less outsourcing). If you don't believe me, click the following link:

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/MX/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20INHOUSE%20MAINTENANCE%20PERSONNEL.htm to the Airline Data Project:


$64,970X.055=$3,573.35 per year

The current IANPP contribution for IAM members at UAL is 6.5% of the base wage. A UAL Mechanics base wage is $31.17 per hour.
$31.17X.065=$2.02 per hour
Full-time hours= 2080X2.02=$4,201.60

So Tim, which is greater, $4,201.60 under the IAMNPP or $3,573.35 under the 5.5% 401k match?
Also, that assumes every UAL Mechanic contributes 5.5% into their 401k and you and I know that's not true.

I agree with you a lot on your analyses of increasing solidarity and using the members as the central power base for attaining gains at the negotiations table, but you really should become more educated regarding the IAMNPP as opposed to other retirement vehicles.

 

[700UW]

You have to remember the multiplier for M&R at US is almost $86 per month and the IAM is asking for a multiplier of $104 per month in the current Section 6 Negotiations.

 

[AP Tech]

The IAM can ask for all they want, just seems as though the company does not want to "Give" anything.....

 

[700UW]

Then the process will work under the Section 6, the IAM is still waiting to be released, the board hasnt answered.