Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[700UW]

They also said the ibt would get PMUA M&R a pension, they dont have one.

They also said in 2005 that IBT M&R wont take concessions if one union votes concessions down at CO, yet the ibt forced concessions on their own M&R.

What they put in writing is worthless.

 

[CactUSmx]

They also said the ibt would get PMUA M&R a pension, they dont have one.

They also said in 2005 that IBT M&R wont take concessions if one union votes concessions down at CO, yet the ibt forced concessions on their own M&R.

What they put in writing is worthless.

The IAM always tells the truth right???

 

[700UW]

They dont make promises that they cant keep.

And refute what I posted, instead of trying to change it.

 

[enough already]

This entire statement is wrong, false, lies. The rate with the teamsters are all inclusive, it will include premiums, longevity, shift diffs etc... Also, the "membership" DID NOT, I repeat, DID NOT vote on the increase in dues from 2.0 to 2.5X's all inclusive. We were teamsters when this happened, and this was the final nail in the coffin for the teamsters being fired in a record 2 week card drive at SWA. The vote was on the increase was done by international level officers along with other upper officers from several locals at one of their quarterly or yearly meetings, NOT by the membership as you have posted above--flat out lie. Even when the teamsters came back from said meeting and someone "finally" told us our dues were going up to 2.5X's without the memberships vote, Hoffa was warned "personally" if they increase the dues we will fire the teamsters and remove them from the property. He blew us off as that isn't going to happened, and now you see the results. With the teamsters it is not just the base hourly rate, it includes other premiums and pay. And the membership NEVER voted for the increase in dues as you have posted above. You guys at US don't fall for the BS the teamsters will put out there just to get you guys to bring them in.

I don't support the Teamsters, however according to their constitution Article X sec. (Pg 79)

"The hourly earnings are the hourly wage rate plus lump sum payments where such payments are in lieu of hourly wage increases and commissions where applicable, exclusive of overtime, premium pay, or fringe benefits. When calculating the rate of monthly dues based upon the formula set forth above, the hourly earnings shall be multiplied and rounded to the nearest whole dollar."

 

[Just Another BK]

I believe your correct about the second vote after merger. However, I see a different ending than what you indicate in your post above. By the time comes for the second vote, and lets say the teamsters are in at US, then the US membership will see that the teamsters never were able to follow thru with all those promises and guarantees, and now the US membership might be leaning more towards an AMFA write-in option as will the AA membership. You may end up with a run-off election with AMFA getting on the ballot and quite possibly coming in and swooping the entire membership from both the airlines after merger. Not saying this is going to happened, but I do it as a possibility, just a thought...

AMFA? First of all I don't think Teamsters will win at US and given the fact there might not even be a vote at AMR AMFLAC has no chance. Do they pay you to be here?

 

[TRAVIS]

The IAM always tells the truth right???

They dont make promises that they cant keep.

And refute what I posted, instead of trying to change it.

Well said cactUSmx, Straight to the point enough said...

 

[TRAVIS]

That is a outright LIE. I spoke to UAL guys and attended a Teamsters roadshow meeting last year. We where told and shown their constitution where it says ALL inclusive and the UAL/CAL guys are paying ALL INCLUSIVE. You must be a paid IBT organizer. More lies from the IBT. Keep it up. We at AA already uncovered all the lies of the IBT. If a vote comes our way the AMFA WRITE IN campaign will kick off. But I doubt a vote will happen. Keep spreading your bull, I need a good laugh.

It's an all-inclusive rate 1AA is correct. The IBT will lie about everything to sway the vote. Hey Travis, can you vote on Business Reps, the people that decide whether or not a grievance has merit and will be processed to a systemwide level? Travis, can you tell us what local the PHL Mechanics would be in?

This entire statement is wrong, false, lies. The rate with the teamsters are all inclusive, it will include premiums, longevity, shift diffs etc... Also, the "membership" DID NOT, I repeat, DID NOT vote on the increase in dues from 2.0 to 2.5X's all inclusive. We were teamsters when this happened, and this was the final nail in the coffin for the teamsters being fired in a record 2 week card drive at SWA. The vote was on the increase was done by international level officers along with other upper officers from several locals at one of their quarterly or yearly meetings, NOT by the membership as you have posted above--flat out lie. Even when the teamsters came back from said meeting and someone "finally" told us our dues were going up to 2.5X's without the memberships vote, Hoffa was warned "personally" if they increase the dues we will fire the teamsters and remove them from the property. He blew us off as that isn't going to happened, and now you see the results. With the teamsters it is not just the base hourly rate, it includes other premiums and pay. And the membership NEVER voted for the increase in dues as you have posted above. You guys at US don't fall for the BS the teamsters will put out there just to get you guys to bring them in.

What's That??
AS I SAID DISGRUNTLE AMFA SUPPORTERS!!!!!!
WHAT WAS THAT YOU TOLD ME 1AA? GET MYSELF EDUCATED..
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE OFF THE AMFA ROSY RED SUNGLASSES AND GET YOURSELF EDUCATED!
IBT(CONSTITUTION ARTICLE X SEC.(PG.79)

HAVE A NICE IN BLACK AND WHITE DAY!

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[1AA]

What's That??
AS I SAID DISGRUNTLE AMFA SUPPORTERS!!!!!!
WHAT WAS THAT YOU TOLD ME 1AA? GET MYSELF EDUCATED..
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE OFF THE AMFA ROSY RED SUNGLASSES AND GET YOURSELF EDUCATED!
IBT(CONSTITUTION ARTICLE X SEC.(PG.79)

HAVE A NICE IN BLACK AND WHITE DAY!

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How many lies did the teamsters make. They always put things in writing and never come through. Ask the ual guys how much they pay in dues. How much did the swa guys pay? They told me straight to my face dues are what I said they are. They could not commit on whether we will pay initiation fees. Their fees range from $80 to $600 per member. Seams your the only one here convincing yourself that the teamsters will be your savior. Even if they do get in at usair it will be short lived. We outnumber you guys and most of us here at aa are on to the lies of the teamsters. Plus they ones at usair that voted other than the teamsters it will not happen.

 

[TRAVIS]

I WILL SAY THIS AND IT'S A FACT ALSO! THE IBT TOLD US AT AWA WHEN WE VOTED THEM IN THAT THEY WOULD WAVE INITIATION FEE'S AND THEY DID. SO MY PAST DEALINGS WITH THEM IS WHAT I'AM GOING WITH. THEY DID NOT LIE TO ME THEN SO WHY WOULD THEY NOW......

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY!!

 

[1AA]

I WILL SAY THIS AND IT'S A FACT ALSO! THE IBT TOLD US AT AWA WHEN WE VOTED THEM IN THAT THEY WOULD WAVE INITIATION FEE'S AND THEY DID. SO MY PAST DEALINGS WITH THEM IS WHAT I'AM GOING WITH. THEY DID NOT LIE TO ME THEN SO WHY WOULD THEY NOW......

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY!!

Because that is what they do best. LIE and embezzle money. Your money and soon it will be your pension if you vote them in. Vote for the IBT I could care less but it is your fellow AMT's you have to answer too when you realized you got suckered by the Teamsters. Your not convincing anyone on this forum that the Teamsters is the best union out there. They are all over the media on how corrupt and miss managed their pension funds are. But go ahead and vote for them. It will never happen here at AA.

 

[Just Another BK]

The IAM always tells the truth right???

What have they lied to you about? I'm curious. Tell us about all the lies.

 

[swamt]

So as a fine upstanding AMFA organizer as yourself .YOU SAY you went and did all this and was told???????

Well I went and read it at the Fresh Start Campaign and have it in black and white print 7th Q&A down on the list and not word of mouth from a disgruntle AMFA supporter.............

http://www.teamster....asked-questions

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So just because the teamsters put a Q and A in writing you think it is truth? Wow. Push the staples button; "That was easy". The exact same language all of you are stating was the exact same language they had when we had the teamsters concerning the dues amounts paid. And I can tell you all, it was more than 2.0 X's base or now 2.5 X's base. They included premiums and shift diff. Guaranteed!! I lived it. Tell you what Travis. If I paid only 2.0 X's base while represented by the teamsters I will give you 1,000.00 dollars. With the teamsters it WILL BE more than base, period...

 

[swamt]

I don't support the Teamsters, however according to their constitution Article X sec. (Pg 79)

"The hourly earnings are the hourly wage rate plus lump sum payments where such payments are in lieu of hourly wage increases and commissions where applicable, exclusive of overtime, premium pay, or fringe benefits. When calculating the rate of monthly dues based upon the formula set forth above, the hourly earnings shall be multiplied and rounded to the nearest whole dollar."

It does include other premiums, shift diffs, and longevity, trust me I had to pay it when the teamsters represented us. If you do not believe me, vote for the teamsters, trust every word they say, and report back to us how much you guys really end up paying in dues. I will guarantee you guys it is, and will be more than just base rate period...

 

[swamt]

AMFA? First of all I don't think Teamsters will win at US and given the fact there might not even be a vote at AMR AMFLAC has no chance. Do they pay you to be here?

NOPE!!

 

[TRAVIS]

So just because the teamsters put a Q and A in writing you think it is truth? Wow. Push the staples button; "That was easy". The exact same language all of you are stating was the exact same language they had when we had the teamsters concerning the dues amounts paid. And I can tell you all, it was more than 2.0 X's base or now 2.5 X's base. They included premiums and shift diff. Guaranteed!! I lived it. Tell you what Travis. If I paid only 2.0 X's base while represented by the teamsters I will give you 1,000.00 dollars. With the teamsters it WILL BE more than base, period...

You AMFA supporters have done nothing but used the IAM smear campaign for your information and it makes you look bad.......
You say the AMFA has all this money in the BANK so what do you pay in DUE's ALL just under 3000 of you.
I know AMFA has a AX to grind with the IBT as they have taken most of your members from you but that's for another day.
I posted the Q&A information In BLACK AND WHITE PRINT. You LIED you used the IAM smear info.
I was going to post the Constitution information but was beat to the post by (enough already) that showed the flat out LIE by BOTH AMFA and IAM supporters on here.
The Constitution is on line and the Q&A is on line.........I DID NOT LIE.

http://www.teamster....asked-questions

http://www.teamster....tution-2011.pdf

Have A Nice IBT Day!!