Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[xUT]

Most of us are tired of the IAM and their concession after concession after concession contracts!
We are keep in the dark and feed bullshi# like good little IAM drones most of the time and beat to the ground from the Company and IAM concessions.
We have been used to hold other airlines AMT's pay down due to our pay being so low due to our unions (IAM) failure to get us a industry leading contract.
Now the IAM want's to have a coalition with the TWU who has just got done beating the AA AMT's into the ground with low pay and concessions.
The IBT got UAL a 75,000.00$ buyout and signing bounces of 15,000.00$. We did not get any thing close as the IAM gave way our profit sharing .

Now we go for a vote and the IAM tries to hold a gun to our heads, misleads and twist the truth about the IBT at ever corner to cover up the IAM failure as our union.

ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE!
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If you don't like the IAM, then you certainly won't like to ibt.
Change for the sake of change is not necessarily good and the grass is not always greener.
But I guess you guys N'Gals might have to find out the hard way.
B) xUT

 

[700UW]

Funny he was a former HP mechanic, so how can he say concession after concession when he has only worked under one IAM TA and he has gotten a 33% raise since the merger under the IAM.

 

[1AA]

Funny he was a former HP mechanic, so how can he say concession after concession when he has only worked under one IAM TA and he has gotten a 33% raise since the merger under the IAM.

The only other explanation would be he is a paid IBT organizer and was promised a business agent position.

 

[TRAVIS]

Funny he was a former HP mechanic, so how can he say concession after concession when he has only worked under one IAM TA and he has gotten a 33% raise since the merger under the IAM.

I have to wonder sometimes if people are blind. As I said and will point out the poor job the IAM has done just in your post alone.
WHAT PART OF LOWEST PAID AMT'S DO YOU NOT UNDER STAND! EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AND A 33% RAISE AS YOU SAY
WE ARE STILL THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND SET THE STANDARD FOR THE LOW PAY SCALE OF OUR CRAFT.
As I said I have to wonder are people blind non-union Delta AMT's makes more than we do and do not pay dues.

 

[TRAVIS]

If you don't like the IAM, then you certainly won't like to ibt.
Change for the sake of change is not necessarily good and the grass is not always greener.
But I guess you guys N'Gals might have to find out the hard way.
B) xUT

A woman who is in a abusive home with a wife beater husband needs change.
How long due you take the abuse before enough is enough and you can see the damage is being done.
I can see the damage and it's time for a change!

 

[TRAVIS]

What makes you think you will do better with the teamsters? Just saying.....

Look at other IBT contracts. Look at how far behind we are with the IAM and there poor negotiation skills. just saying..........

 

[TRAVIS]

The only other explanation would be he is a paid IBT organizer and was promised a business agent position.

With what I get for a pay check I need a second job but I'm not a paid organizer or have I been promised a position unlike 700uw who doesn't work for US Airways or is in our union but is Trying to get into a position with the IAM or works for them now.
700 is the IAM stooge on here the man doesn't work for a airline but supports the IAM on every forum here( HELLO do the words common sense mean any thing!!)

 

[1AA]

Look at other IBT contracts. Look at how far behind we are with the IAM and there poor negotiation skills. just saying..........

Here at AA the guys are thinking the same. They say look at UAL's latest proposal. I tell them to look at the whole picture not just the money. Just because one airline can pay more in hourly salary with one union representing them does not mean that same union will get them the same deal or better. UAL may have lower operating costs than AA or USAir. One airline may have different profit margins, more or less employees, higher liability costs, higher operating expenses and so on. Do you see what I am getting at? In a normal occupation if company A pays more than company B most likely the employee will leave company B and go to company A. Can we say the same when we are in our 50's with over 25 years of seniority? Not likely. If we leave one airline and go to another we will be back on midnights with one or two weeks vacation and step one on the pay scale. So changing to a union that appears to be doing better at one airline is NOT a guarantee that they will do the same for you at your present airline. BTW if you vote Teamsters you will get a automatic pay cut. Increase in union dues and you wont even have your own aircraft maintenance local. You will have NO say in who represents you and you will be assigned to an existing local full of members that have no ties in the Aviation field. Is this what you guys want? Think before you vote out of anger. Educate yourself on what is best for your future. Voting for the teamsters because the IAM and USAir management have not given you a contract is not about your future but about frustration.

After reading yesterdays news on the NMB and the filing here at AA I doubt we will have a vote. Teamsters filed early and short to beat AMFA to the filing. Sad how the Teamsters deceived the AA guys in thinking that they really want to represent us yet they filed early and most likely short on cards not thinking about fighting the challenges. If this turns out to be a failure filing on the Teamsters part all they did was screw over the AMT's at AA from removing the TWU. They only wanted to make sure that if they do not get in AMFA will not either. They have a ax to grind since SWA threw them off the property in a record filing. Is this the kind of union you want representing you?

 

[swamt]

Most of us are tired of the IAM and their concession after concession after concession contracts!
We are keep in the dark and feed bullshi# like good little IAM drones most of the time and beat to the ground from the Company and IAM concessions.
We have been used to hold other airlines AMT's pay down due to our pay being so low due to our unions (IAM) failure to get us a industry leading contract.
Now the IAM want's to have a coalition with the TWU who has just got done beating the AA AMT's into the ground with low pay and concessions.
The IBT got UAL a 75,000.00$ buyout and signing bounces of 15,000.00$. We did not get any thing close as the IAM gave way our profit sharing .

Now we go for a vote and the IAM tries to hold a gun to our heads, misleads and twist the truth about the IBT at ever corner to cover up the IAM failure as our union.

ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE!
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Travis, I know you love your ibt/teamsters union. And I will not argue anything you have listed above. But I would like to throw out a friendly warning; we had the teamsters here at SWA for well over 20-25 years. They have done and were caught doing "behind close door" deals. Raised all dues without a membership vote. They have members traveling 100's of miles just to attend a monthly meeting, on purpose to prevent strong turn outs in their meetings. The teamsters were also caught doing many other illegal activity at local levels as well as at international and even Hoffa himself. If were in your shoes Travis I would just keep the IAM. Teamsters are after the pensions and they have already damaged the UAL guys life time recall limits of pay according to UAL mechanics. You will also have to pay higher union dues each and every month for a strike fund that you will never be able to use, it's just yet another fund allocation for the upper international and local officers to milk from. And now look over at AA and how the teamsters are now being investigated for the forgery of union cards being collected by the NMB. Do you really want this corrupt and law breaking union to represent you? Open your eyes brother, the teamsters are on their way out of the M&R category of representing airline mechanics. BTW: teamsters were also caught red handed doing "behind close deals" while they were representing the CAL mechanics prior to the UAL/CAL merger. If this is the type of representation you want, then knock yourself out brother. You will be sorry in the long run, just look at how the UAL guys are now regretting it. Again, just a friendly warning from a previous member of the teamsters for well over a decade, they are nothing but lies and promises until they get in then, NOTHING, all air, no progress what-so-ever. Good luck in your representational election...

 

[700UW]

I have to wonder sometimes if people are blind. As I said and will point out the poor job the IAM has done just in your post alone.
WHAT PART OF LOWEST PAID AMT'S DO YOU NOT UNDER STAND! EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AND A 33% RAISE AS YOU SAY
WE ARE STILL THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND SET THE STANDARD FOR THE LOW PAY SCALE OF OUR CRAFT.
As I said I have to wonder are people blind non-union Delta AMT's makes more than we do and do not pay dues.

I guess you cant comprehend, that US Airways file chapter 11 in 2002 and 2004, by law every union had to negotiate with the company or face contract abrogation.

In 2005 the judge abrogated and a final offer was forced to be voted on.

Fast forward to 2008 and gains were obtained in the 2008 agreement.

Now they are in Section 6 negotiations, for the first time since 1999.

Is that too hard to understand.

Now how about your beloved ibt in 2005 when they broke an agreement with the other three unions and forced concessions upon its own membership without a vote?

So your own union lowered the bar, I guess you have no clue about Section 1113 C of the bankruptcy code.

How come its 5 years and the PMUA mechanics have no pension?

Why are UA mechanics forced to be members in locals not near their location?

Glass house.

 

[TRAVIS]

I have Educated my self and have come up with YOU need to educate yourself, Look at the BS at the bottom of all your post SAVE OUR PENSIONS. THAT IS OUT RIGHT BS! By LAW the IBT can not take your pension and if you would pull you head out of the AMFA sand and read or even call the IBT on pension maters you would know are posting a LIES, The only anger I have is when a union try's to uses a gun or scare tactics to hold on to its members and the IAM has done just that because they failed the members!

As far as the news on the NMB, looks to me like the TWU is doing every thing it can to hold on to the AMT's.
IBT said they have the cards .......This news report came from the interview with the TWU and not the NMB.
The NMB did not reply on this matter other than set a date of the 16th july to hear info on this. I look at it as TWU MUD SLINGING.

You and swamt only see AMFA as what you want that's good for you and you know that AMFA has a better chance of beating the TWU or IAM than the IBT that's a fact.

My vote will be in soon for the IBT and I hope my AMT Brothers will use common sense and vote out the TWU/IAM as both have FAILED the Members who they serve.

VOTE IBT!

 

[TRAVIS]

Travis, I know you love your ibt/teamsters union. And I will not argue anything you have listed above. But I would like to throw out a friendly warning; we had the teamsters here at SWA for well over 20-25 years. They have done and were caught doing "behind close door" deals. Raised all dues without a membership vote. They have members traveling 100's of miles just to attend a monthly meeting, on purpose to prevent strong turn outs in their meetings. The teamsters were also caught doing many other illegal activity at local levels as well as at international and even Hoffa himself. If were in your shoes Travis I would just keep the IAM. Teamsters are after the pensions and they have already damaged the UAL guys life time recall limits of pay according to UAL mechanics. You will also have to pay higher union dues each and every month for a strike fund that you will never be able to use, it's just yet another fund allocation for the upper international and local officers to milk from. And now look over at AA and how the teamsters are now being investigated for the forgery of union cards being collected by the NMB. Do you really want this corrupt and law breaking union to represent you? Open your eyes brother, the teamsters are on their way out of the M&R category of representing airline mechanics. BTW: teamsters were also caught red handed doing "behind close deals" while they were representing the CAL mechanics prior to the UAL/CAL merger. If this is the type of representation you want, then knock yourself out brother. You will be sorry in the long run, just look at how the UAL guys are now regretting it. Again, just a friendly warning from a previous member of the teamsters for well over a decade, they are nothing but lies and promises until they get in then, NOTHING, all air, no progress what-so-ever. Good luck in your representational election...

You know swamt the UAL guys you talk about are AMFA supporters but 51% or better voted them out and are IBT and glad to have the IBT in now.
SO I GUESS ITS WHO YOU TALK TO!!

 

[TRAVIS]

IAM excuses for failure..................

700 all you do is LIE And mislead and twist the truth and make excuses for IAM failure.
You are a IAM STOOGE FLAT OUT!

 

[700UW]

I see you have to lie and edit my posts in your quote.

You have ZERO credibility, and glad to see you cant answer the questions are debate, you have to lie, attack and insult.

No wonder why your losing this election.

 

[700UW]

Dont worry the NMB investigation about the ibt and their forgers will just add to the IAM vote count and they will win.

Funny how you ignore once again the ibt criminal activity.