Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[Just Another BK]

According to what I read a while back all contracts have to be in place before a SCS is allowed. If USAir has no CBA in place then the merger and or the SCS will not happen. This will delay the closing of the BK for AA. If I am mistaken can someone please verify what I have posted here.

US CBA is still in full effect until a "New" CBA is negotiated. That shouldn't have anything to do with AA's BK. The Pilots and Stews were the ones without an agreement between AW and US groups. Maintenance and Related CBA combined AW and US Mechs years ago. I also don't see how an IBT win would expedite any contract negotiations since they would have to create a committee to go over the entire contract and then get back to the company sometime down the road starting from scratch. Hopefully the IAM wins and the IBT cards will be thrown out at AMR that have been tampered with so there isn't even an election. Then an immediate negotiation can continue with the IAM/TWU to get a TA done soon.

 

[Just Another BK]

Has any ballots or voting instructions been received yet? Would someone please post the options givin to each member for their voting, write-in, speak in, and union choices listed? Thx in advance and good luck...

NMB Vote (1) IAM (2) IBT (3) Write In (4) None. And no I will not be writing in AMFLAC ! We wouldn't even be having a vote if not for the Reamsters harassing laid off Mechanic and Related from ten years ago. Some just signed cards to make them go away. The Stock Clerks don't even get to vote because the Teamsters don't want them. Here's another good story: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-usa-newyork-mafia-idUSBRE96818B20130709

 

[700UW]

700, of course there will be a delay. If the iam wins, the company can sit back and wait for another election which will definately postpone things another 12 months with "the association" representational dispute. Im just saying that if timing is anything then the quickest way to conclude all elections would tilt towards the ibt.
As far as total compensation, is the ibt chart and flyer incorrect where the usair mx are at the bottom?

Wait for what election?

There cant be another representational election for a year because of the bar, the only election will be the Alliance, after the merger is complete and after the SCS is filed, which wont be filed until the IAM and TWU agree to file it jointly.

The IAM is not going into JCBA negotiations until Section 6 negotiations are complete and an agreement is ratified.

The alliance is not a representational dispute, its a joint agreement all ready negotiated by both unions.

 

[700UW]

The stock clerks who have utility or mechanic time are being asked by the IAM to the board to be eligible to vote, there hasnt been a ruling from the board yet.

 

[737823]

Wait for what election?

There cant be another representational election for a year because of the bar, the only election will be the Alliance, after the merger is complete and after the SCS is filed, which wont be filed until the IAM and TWU agree to file it jointly.

The IAM is not going into JCBA negotiations until Section 6 negotiations are complete and an agreement is ratified.

The alliance is not a representational dispute, its a joint agreement all ready negotiated by both unions.

And where and how was it approved by the membership? Is the membership of either union even interested in this association nonsense? When and where have they asked for this? Seems to me its a move by Buffy, Little, et al to ensure they maintain their dues payers. Tim had posted about the association in December of last year, long before any announcement or other discussion here. It seems likely the two will spontaneously strike an agreement to let one side keep fleet service and the other maintain M&R, no election, no transparency, no accountability.

Josh

 

[737823]

The mechanics at US make more than their counterparts at AA, the TA is just an improvement of the Chapter 11 CBA.

The raid has caused the company not to negotiate and the mediator has let it up to the company and the union to contact him for dates and Hemenway wont negotiate till after the representational election is over.

There will be no delay if the IAM wins, if the ibt wins, the company and the ibt will start negotiations all over, from the beginning, there by extending the time period of negotiations.

Its not as if the IAM had made any progress with the company, both parties seem happy to kick the can down the road. US enjoys bargain basement agreement that provides low labor costs, IAM maintains dues flows. Bob's post below pretty much sums it up:

Well its not like they were going anywhere. IAM pretty much sat on their hands for over a year before they filed to be released, they filed, then what? Nothing. No picketing, not even at the NMB to let it be known they are serious. AMFA filed during similar conditions at NWA, they ended up with the biggest increases ever seen and all mechanics benefitted from that. Yes the recession, 9-11 and BK gave NWA and the other unions the opportunity to make an example of them by setting out to bust AMFA, no matter the cost, before they spread through the rest of the industry, but the fact is that every mechanic in the industry benefitted by what happened at NWA from 1999 through 2001 and to this day we are still better off. Our wages today are higher in absolute dollars (not when adjusted for inflation) than they were prior to 2001 but for many of our coworkers that is not the case such as Fleet service and Stores.

So while I would fault the IBT for other things filing for an election at US when the IAM continues to sit on their hands in negotiations isnt one of them. The IAM claims this will extend negotiations, well, after seeing the crumbs they were asking for, and the fact they were not making progress even with that, taking a little longer to get where you want to be may be a better option than throwing the IAM even more time to get you where you dont really want to be.Why should they be willing to settle for what the UAL guys , who are in negotiations, are getting now? They need a union that will at least try and raise the bar, not just ride the coat tails of United mechanics.

Sadly I still think the filing at US was really more about getting cards at AA. Maybe the IBT should be a little more aggressive at UAL, then they would not have to rely on deception in order to get more mechanics to want to become Teamsters. The thing about deception is eventually the truth comes out, the guys who told the lies will be long gone, telling lies to their next assignment, but we will have to live with the results.

So, while having Rival Unions court members from other unions may not be in the best interests of people who have positions in the Unions that are being raided ,despite what these leaders say, its good for Union members and the labor movement as a whole. It brings accountablity to the unaccountable, but care must be taken if a choice to move is made that you dont get lured into a relationship based on lies, lies from different people are still lies.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Guess you dont know how to read, the members will be voting on the alliance after SCS is filed.

You make this too easy joshie.

 

[737823]

Again the question is when and where has the membership asked for this nonsense? The IAM hasn't delivered at US for either fleet or M&R they are allowing prolonged concessions as US records record profits. They gave concessions through abrogation when the company was unstable and insecure. Merger or not, that is far from the reality today.

Josh

 

[Thomas Paine]

Is the membership of either union even interested in this association nonsense?

On the AA side -NO, not interested, on the US side we will know August 15th. If they vote in the IBT then its obvious they aren't interested.

 

[TRAVIS]

NMB Vote (1) IAM (2) IBT (3) Write In (4) None. And no I will not be writing in AMFLAC ! We wouldn't even be having a vote if not for the Reamsters harassing laid off Mechanic and Related from ten years ago. Some just signed cards to make them go away. The Stock Clerks don't even get to vote because the Teamsters don't want them. Here's another good story: http://www.reuters.c...E96818B20130709

Your Right The Teamsters Should not have To Be harassing laid off Mechanic and Related after 10 YEARS If The IAM Had Been doing It's JOB and not failed it's MEMBERSHIP.

VOTE IBT!!

 

[1AA]

Has any ballots or voting instructions been received yet? Would someone please post the options givin to each member for their voting, write-in, speak in, and union choices listed? Thx in advance and good luck...

After searching the Internet I came across this NMB SAMPLE electronic ballot.
The names of the unions are Samples.
The IAM would be first then the IBT then the write in and last No union.

Hope this helps what the electronic ballot will look like for you USAir guys.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wait for what election?

There cant be another representational election for a year because of the bar, the only election will be the Alliance, after the merger is complete and after the SCS is filed, which wont be filed until the IAM and TWU agree to file it jointly.

The IAM is not going into JCBA negotiations until Section 6 negotiations are complete and an agreement is ratified.

The alliance is not a representational dispute, its a joint agreement all ready negotiated by both unions.

the alliance most certainly is a representational dispute based on an application declaring single carrier. I'm 100% sure of that. This election won't have anything to do with it other than delay it. A bar will ONLY be placed for 2 years [not 1 like you incorrectly mentioned] until single carrier application by the triggering union, which will necessarily be "The Association". Has nothing to do with my opinion, that's the way it works.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again the question is when and where has the membership asked for this nonsense? The IAM hasn't delivered at US for either fleet or M&R they are allowing prolonged concessions as US records record profits. They gave concessions through abrogation when the company was unstable and insecure. Merger or not, that is far from the reality today.

Josh

The IAM has itself and its piss clam anti labor agreements to blame for the reason why the majority of its very own members signed IBT cards to fire the IAM. CLT is very strong IBT but not sure if it will trump the bigtime support for the IAM at PIT. Give Shafano credit. I always liked that union rep, he seemed to be one of the only ones who would return calls. Whichever union wins, should keep Shifano involved.

 

[Tim Nelson]

According to what I read a while back all contracts have to be in place before a SCS is allowed. If USAir has no CBA in place then the merger and or the SCS will not happen. This will delay the closing of the BK for AA. If I am mistaken can someone please verify what I have posted here.

Not true. SCS will happen when a union decides to file for it along with its support application. A contract has nothing to do with it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wait for what election?

There cant be another representational election for a year because of the bar, the only election will be the Alliance, after the merger is complete and after the SCS is filed, which wont be filed until the IAM and TWU agree to file it jointly.

The IAM is not going into JCBA negotiations until Section 6 negotiations are complete and an agreement is ratified.

The alliance is not a representational dispute, its a joint agreement all ready negotiated by both unions.

I've had it with you. I'm tired of the lies by king rat, Sito who is an anti labor uneducated company prick [see his anti labor United airline contract]. Your ignorance has now prompted me to 'fully engage'. Therefore, I am going to inform the US AIRWAYS MX of exactly how long they will be waiting for 'real negotiations' since the "Association" will MOST DEFINATELY cause another rerun all by itself, next year if the mx are lucky. Anyone who believes or is spewing that the "Association" is not going to be a representational dispute is a drunken liar or just another ####. The simple facts are that IF the IAM wins, and If the TWU wins at AMR, then the TWU is UNDER CONTRACT to petition for single carrier [has not a damn thing to do with any negotiation style] within 6 months of the effective date. The company will LOVE THAT since the company knows that, unlike fleet service, the US AIRWAYS/AMR MX have more than a trichotomy going. It is utterly reasonable to suggest that during the "Association" vote, that a few hundred will vote no union, a thousand plus will write in IBT if they have to, a thousand plus will vote in AMFA if they have to. Perhaps hundreds will write in IAM, and I bet at least a thousand write in TWU. There is seemingly no way the Association can get the majority of all votes cast so welcome to yet another run off sometime in 2015! If you don't think Parker is laughing his arse off because of the necessary delay with yet ANOTHER election triggered by "The association" then you are fooling yourself. Parker will have NO IDEA who he will be negotiating with, even if the TWU and IAM win against the IBT because the association will have a great chance of triggering another run off. The quickest way to negotiations is to vote for the IBT if that is someone's question. Me, personally, it benefits me if all mx vote for the IAM since I have an iam pension and would possibly be screwed a 3rd time with a future benefit cut if more members bailed out of it. I'm going to write a letter and post it on here, sometime this weekend, regarding the timelines that are most predictable. Too much bull #### from the IAM that it makes me sick and now I have to waste my own personal time.