Statement from IAM
- Thread starter libertybell
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Change to unite.
Claiming that we can unite while remaining in different unions is like claiming that workers can unite without a union.
We need to get us all into one union. Would you object to having all the airlines in one union?
Can you see the benifits of such association?
You said it yourself "all the unions in the airlines, have taken concessions". And the reason why is that the unions behaved just like "some reps from a certain northern city".
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You will never see all airline workers be in one union.
You are asking for the impossible.
When you put people into the system it breaks it.
As long as you have an apathetic membership, nothing will ever get accomplished.
And you say you need new leadership, no one has stepped up yet, why do you think it would change?
You are asking for the impossible.
When you put people into the system it breaks it.
As long as you have an apathetic membership, nothing will ever get accomplished.
And you say you need new leadership, no one has stepped up yet, why do you think it would change?
Why not? You are a defeatest. Obviously despite your claims to the contrary you are content with things the way they are. How convienient is it is so sit back and blame the membership. Tell me what the membership did wrong, what they could have done differently, that would have prevented the disaster that has befallen every worker in the industry?
Only when they are the wrong people. People such as yourself, who have no faith in their peers do not belong in leadership positions.
Apathy is a symptom of poor leadership, not the cause.
You already brought up why new leadership does not appear, did you forget what you said about how they are labeled? We may have to burn the fields in order for a new crop to appear since the established weeds prevent productive plants from germinating.
The fact is that the labor movement at one time was effective, people did enjoy increasing living standards and the leaders of unions actually believed in what they were doing. Listen to yourself. Your comment on membership apathy are a statement that reveal contempt for the people. The change did not take place among the thousands of members but rather among the few at the top. Think about it, how likely is it that the character of a group made up of hundreds of thousands of people would radically change as opposed to a group made up of only a handful of people?
I have little doubt where this contempt for the membership comes from. It comes from the top. Its very easy for union leaders to blame the members for their lack of leadership skills. Thats why most unions have made it so that they are not accountable directly to the members. This way they never really need to develop leadership skills but rather simply learn how to maneauvure through the International structure.
You had it right a few days back- the entire system is broke, and its the structure that needs to be replaced not just or neccisarily, the leaders of any part of this broken system. The greatest barrier to changing that structure is not the members-its the leaders.
You didnt answer my question, "Would you object to having all airline workers in one union?"
The leaders will resist change because this strucure, as faulty as it is provides them with salaries and perks they would otherwise never see. Salaries and perks that they would never even attempt to get for their members.
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- #110
You don't know me so don't judge me.
I don't have contempt for the membership, I have not sacrificed my home life to try and make things better for my coworkers and myself if I had contempt for them.
I am one of them, not a leader. I don't draw a paycheck from the IAM.
Bottom line is the members are the union, without their strength and involvement, nothing will ever change.
Explain to me how you are going to get all the airline employees in when union when they are not even united now in the same union they are in?
Look at your own members at AA, you have ones for the twu and ones for amfa.
Revolutions start with the people, not the leaders.
I don't have contempt for the membership, I have not sacrificed my home life to try and make things better for my coworkers and myself if I had contempt for them.
I am one of them, not a leader. I don't draw a paycheck from the IAM.
Bottom line is the members are the union, without their strength and involvement, nothing will ever change.
Explain to me how you are going to get all the airline employees in when union when they are not even united now in the same union they are in?
Look at your own members at AA, you have ones for the twu and ones for amfa.
Revolutions start with the people, not the leaders.
PhxRanchHand
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Bob your are correct, I would not hold my breath waiting on our friend & to anwser, it will be a deflection or a personal jab, or the now famous " don't let the facts get in your way or Keep trying"
He i like the little boy crying wolf, just to beat his chest and trying to impress everyone with his knowledge, but yet he has been proven wrong on countless times. ( this is entirely my personal opinion)
BS, you reveal yourself with every sentence you type. You wrote it, not me. That s what I'm basing my "judgement" on.
You have no faith in them. Your own comments say this. Many people take positions such as yours for the sense of respect and importance they get from it, dont play martyr.
Just because you dont draw a paycheck it does not mean that you are not a leader. The fact is you are part of the organization in a level above that of a member and you defend those above you by criticizing those below you.
Rhetoric. Leadersip is critical to ANY organization. As you have already admitted we need change, in other words to rock the boat, but those at the top have effectively created methods to maintain the status quo.
After you answer my original question. Why wont you simply answer the question before you go into why it cant be done?
Once again, symptoms of a broken system, not the cause.
Show me a Revolution that suceeded without leaders.You are wrong, Revolutions are started by leaders. Leaders and followers, that is the nature of human beings. Thats why oppressive rejimes try to kill off potential rivals.
PhxRanchHand
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Would you object to having all airline workers in one union?"
What are the obstacles?
Developing unity is always a monumental task, but one worth taking on, wouldnt you agree?
PhxRanchHand
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thank you for the anwser.
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" by some old chinese guy
The longer we wait to effect change in our industry, the longer change will not happen
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first of all, under the RLA and NMB it is very challenging to even change unions.
Second you have no money to fund it.
You always have elitists, look at some of the posters here who you put in their place about other classifications.
You even promoted afma, who touts itselfs as for mechanics only, which it is not because of class and craft.
I can go on for days.
Second you have no money to fund it.
You always have elitists, look at some of the posters here who you put in their place about other classifications.
You even promoted afma, who touts itselfs as for mechanics only, which it is not because of class and craft.
I can go on for days.
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