Statement from IAM

[gonzo]

7 is not listening to you Bob Owens. He will now and will always continue to blame everything on the membership of the IAM. The IAM has no way of understanding the reasoning of the need for change. 7 is the best example of that fact. He says he is not scared but the truth is that he is and he has no way of changing the situation he is in.

The IBT has seen the writing on the wall "change or die". I have to give them credit for the actions of pulling out of the AFL-CIO. I only see good things for the future of the Teamsters (IBT). The IAM officers need to wake up and realize the future is changing. 🙂

 

[700UW]

Excuse me I do have a child that needed to be taken somewhere.

Yes a lot of the leadership is old school and need to modernize, that is the problem I see with District 142.

If you try to rock the boat you are labeled a troublemaker and the rules favor the incumbants to keep their leadership roles.

I feel that the membership needs to get involved in order to force change. If there is a lack of leadership then someone needs to step up to the plate.

The unions need to take the fight back to the company instead of fighting amongst each other.

And Gonzo, you don't know me nor what I am all about.

I do know even when the ibt was part of the afl-cio they still raided and a true union would never raid another union.

 

[PhxRanchHand]

The whole system is broken.

The ibt and the IAM need to work together and not fight each other.

I don't have all the answers but what any union is doing today in the airline industry is failing and it is failing because the membership is too apathetic.

You have to work within the union to effect change, and no I am not scared.

So 7, answer ne this, If both unions need to "work togrther" then has there been any thought by the iam to an association such as the csr's have, then neither would lose anything and we could get everything going fast????

 

[delldude]

7 is not listening to you Bob Owens. He will now and will always continue to blame everything on the membership of the IAM. it is the memberships fault because without their involvement new blood/new ideas never get in The IAM has no way of understanding the reasoning of the need for change.we realize this more than you can imagine 7 is the best example of that fact. that is an insult,and you are wrong He says he is not scared but the truth is that he is and he has no way of changing the situation he is in. wrong on two counts

The IBT has seen the writing on the wall "change or die". this is up for debate I have to give them credit for the actions of pulling out of the AFL-CIO. they pulled out because of pressure against them for raiding and heat from illegal election practices I only see good things for the future of the Teamsters (IBT). because you are biased and have a closed mind due to predjudicial unionistic views and not open minded views The IAM officers need to wake up and realize the future is changing. 🙂 here we are in agreement....but so does IBT and the likes of triechler,his days are over

 

[Bob Owens]

Yes a lot of the leadership is old school and need to modernize, that is the problem I see with District 142.

Well its not just the leaders nor just District 142. The fact is the whole system is fundementally flawed.

We all work under the same air transport system, but for different corporations. Those corporations and our multiple unions put us in competion with each other. We need to get into one union. Modernizing District 142 or any other Local is like adding new tires to a car with a blown motor.

If you try to rock the boat you are labeled a troublemaker and the rules favor the incumbants to keep their leadership roles.

Exactly, so much for change from within.

I feel that the membership needs to get involved in order to force change. If there is a lack of leadership then someone needs to step up to the plate.

Well all you need to do it look at the comment you just made about being labeled. Who has the resources to take them on?

The unions need to take the fight back to the company instead of fighting amongst each other.

Sounds good, but it still will not fix the problem. Unions will still see the elimination of other carriers as an opportunity for them.

I do know even when the ibt was part of the afl-cio they still raided and a true union would never raid another union.

What exactly is wrong with raiding? From a members point of view of course. I know its been drummed into your head, by your International, that raids are terrible, but really, what is so bad about them from a members point of view? Its easy to understand why the Internationals think they are so bad, everyone hates accountability. But isnt every Local election in effect a "raid" upon the leadership of the Local? Do you think that once you are elected to a Local position there should no longer be elections? Why shouldnt Internationals be put to the same test every now and then? They certainly do not have the same advantages they have at Conventions when it comes to a raid. Its a much more equitable contest. What is wrong with the members being given the choice of leadership at the top levels? One thing for sure is that if the members have two or more unions fighting to represent them none of them are going to sit back and claim that everything is the members fault.

 

[700UW]

Corporate America is not held to the same reporting standards are labor unions.

Keep trying Bob.

 

[Bob Owens]

Corporate America is not held to the same reporting standards are labor unions.

Keep trying Bob.

True, but then aagin they are not registered as Non-profits either.

The fact is that reporting Union finances puts power in the members hands and helps keep unions honest. Unions have fought giving members such powers solely for the purpose of keeping the members ignorant.

Can we get back to Unions, reform, raiding etc?

 

[Bob Owens]

Like I said Figures don't lie but liars figure!

Unions are not subject to the anal probe know as a DoD contract audit either. Do you really think the folks who audit labor check individual timecards going back several years?

Untit you've had a team from the Department of Defense go over your operation looking for fraud then STFU because it is you who doesn't know what they're taling about. Also did you ever hear of G.A.A.P?? That's Generally Acceptied Accounting Principles and EVERYONE follows those or offers an explanation as to why they don't.

Yes but does the result of that "anal probe" become public knowledge and the only ones subject to it would be people under contract with the DOD.

GAAP are rules to make sure that corporations are not fudging the numbers to make it appear that companies are worth more than they are or more profitable than they are. There is still a lot of room to hide stuff as long as they are not overstating their worth the are OK.

 

[700UW]

then STFU because it is you who doesn't know what they're taling about.

Gee Bob, did I strike a nerve?

And yes the IAM represents numerous people in the defense sector.

Plus the airlines undergo a CRAF review from the DOD every year.

And another thing, IAM members don't get expense accounts, they have to fill out an expense report with the original reciepts attached.

Keep trying Bobby.

 

[Bob Owens]

So if those dimwits could do it so can the IAM.

And if they are anything like he TWU I'm sure they do.

 

[Kev3188]

too many old farts with old ways in those higher up union positions...look at O'driscoll,Triechler and so on...time for some youth to turn around the labor movement vs corporate.

YES.

 

[gonzo]

Yes a lot of the leadership is old school and need to modernize, that is the problem I see with District 142.

If you try to rock the boat you are labeled a troublemaker and the rules favor the incumbants to keep their leadership roles.

The unions need to take the fight back to the company instead of fighting amongst each other.

And Gonzo, you don't know me nor what I am all about.

I do know even when the ibt was part of the afl-cio they still raided and a true union would never raid another union.

It is up to the union LEADERSHIP to realize their situation and avoid the crisis, not the members. Members need to get involved ,yes. The unions should not have to "fight" the company (old school). The union and the company will have their disagreements..yes..but it should not be a fight.

You have shown yourself to be very unwilling to change 7 you have been using "unionist" as your badge of honor. "Unionist" has become a negative indicator on this board for many of the people here. As far as your union beliefs and attitudes are concerned EVERYONE knows you 7. You have shown that the IAM is "what you are all about". The IAM has taken on a negative image lately.................... 🙂

 

[EricLv2Fish]

The unions should not have to "fight" the company (old school). The union and the company will have their disagreements..yes..but it should not be a fight.

Great point Gonzo.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Yes a lot of the leadership is old school and need to modernize, that is the problem I see with District 142.

If you try to rock the boat you are labeled a troublemaker and the rules favor the incumbants to keep their leadership roles.

I feel that the membership needs to get involved in order to force change. If there is a lack of leadership then someone needs to step up to the plate.

The unions need to take the fight back to the company instead of fighting amongst each other.

And Gonzo, you don't know me nor what I am all about.

I do know even when the ibt was part of the afl-cio they still raided and a true union would never raid another union.

Educate us/me as to how that would/should/could happen. IMO, if moderinization under the current regime/leadership hasn't happened yet, it's time for a change. And if you, and I'm speaking collectively, are a true unionist, would it really matter which union you are a member of and support?? As long as you have the new and modern leadership that is needed and desired, what difference does it make what the name of the union is??
IMO, the "raiding," the campaining, the open dialogue, etc., is the way do this. I for one, have learned a lot about all these issues in recent months. And I personally feel that I am better educated and can be/will be more involved because I am better educated. But the information has been almost non existant from the IAM.
Time for membership education and information. Then, I believe, the apathy will be dimished and a vote will be a good thing for all.

 

[delldude]

The unions should not have to "fight" the company (old school). The union and the company will have their disagreements..yes..but it should not be a fight.

dude your company hasn't taken you into court and striped you of wages,benefits and your pension....
when would you plant your feet and fight?

basically you were handed a contract,your first contract....a gimme.....you're new to the game.

company uses bankruptcy court to shakedown the entire labor group plus eveyone else they do business with and you think its time to raise the white flag??