Some FA's don't know they got a pay raise.

[cltrat]

what a great post Jim

 

[jimntx]

Be Careful, forgot to add that I totally agree with you about the new hires.  I flew with one during the last week of November who was scheduled to be on reserve in December.  She said to me (and this is a direct quote), "If they don't give me a Hong Kong trip, I'm just going to call in sick for anything else they assign me."  Mind you, she has been off probation less than 6 months.  I doubt she will be with us for the long-haul.  BTW, the Hong Kong trip goes so senior that a 26-year DFW purser told me she couldn't even hold a coach position on the Hong Kong trip.

 

[Black Magic]

LG didn't do squat.  Doug Parker was/is more than happy to give raises AS LONG as your group is still paid less than Delta.  Because at the new AA the motto is were #1 in profits but we pay our employees #2 or 3.

 

[jimntx]

Oh, and you're an expert on the Flight Attendant JCBA?  A JCBA, I might add, that has been in effect for over a year now.  How's yours compared to ours?

 

[700UW]

He doesnt have one, and doesnt understand at the time of the JCBA you were paid hire than DL, DL gave a 14.5% raise AFTER AA and the APFA ratified, there is an escalator when UA/CO gets a JCBA.
 
And he doesnt realize DL cut the PS by 50%.

 

[Black Magic]

He doesnt have one, and doesnt understand at the time of the JCBA you were paid hire than DL, DL gave a 14.5% raise AFTER AA and the APFA ratified, there is an escalator when UA/CO gets a JCBA.
 
And he doesnt realize DL cut the PS by 50%.

Spin it however you want. Don't let the facts get in your way that Delta fa's and other work groups will always be paid higher than AA. Oh whats that? They are getting 5 figure profit sharing checks this year!! How much profit sharing are the AA employees getting? Don't worry AA wont getting PS next year but yep Delta will!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Spin it however you want. Don't let the facts get in your way that Delta fa's and other work groups will always be paid higher than AA. Oh whats that? They are getting 5 figure profit sharing checks this year!! How much profit sharing are the AA employees getting? Don't worry AA wont getting PS next year but yep Delta will!!

Someone posted a chart just the other day in another thread that showed DL had the lowest labor costs of the 4 major players for 2014. And yes that would include profit sharing.

Base pay for those who are at that top do not paint the entire picture of overall total costs to the company. From what I have seen they get them big time on medical out of pocket costs. And let's not forget that pernicious Ready Reserve thing they have in over abundance.

And by far not all will be receiving a 5 figure PS check. Just the ones you want to focus on.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and the highest labor cost winning trophy goes to Southwest Airlines. By far.

 

[Black Magic]

Spare me the excuses. That's all I hear from the IAM/TWU nowadays, you guys just reach into the barrell and pull out your fav excuse how it sees fit. Meanwhile Delta employees are seeing the highest pay RIGHT now! Not after such and such date or meeting on and on..... And don't forget delta will trump any contract put in place for the AA workgroups this year immediately and there after. Everyone enjoy your 5 year plus contracts because now your locked in and thats all your going to get!

 

[jimntx]

Well, I'm currently being paid almost $56/hr, and I get another raise on January 16th.  And there's a raise in January for every year of the contract.  I'm happy.  I repeat, how does YOUR contract compare?  Oh, sorry.  I forgot.  You don't have one.

 

[Kev3188]

They are getting 5 figure profit sharing checks this year!!

We are?

 

[WeAAsles]

Spare me the excuses. That's all I hear from the IAM/TWU nowadays, you guys just reach into the barrell and pull out your fav excuse how it sees fit. Meanwhile Delta employees are seeing the highest pay RIGHT now! Not after such and such date or meeting on and on..... And don't forget delta will trump any contract put in place for the AA workgroups this year immediately and there after. Everyone enjoy your 5 year plus contracts because now your locked in and thats all your going to get!

That and at least 200 pages of other language that protects me if I have some overzealous manager who doesn't like my occasional obnoxious personality.

But I am glad that you enjoy your at will employment as much as I like my employment contract and rights.

BTW have you had any life threatening illnesses and went to use your medical? Stay healthy my friends.

 

[AANOTOK]

Well, I'm currently being paid almost $56/hr, and I get another raise on January 16th.  And there's a raise in January for every year of the contract.  I'm happy.  I repeat, how does YOUR contract compare?  Oh, sorry.  I forgot.  You don't have one.

And no fault of the members or AA, the lack of any monetary gain lies squarely on the shoulders of the Association.

 

[FWAAA]

Someone posted a chart just the other day in another thread that showed DL had the lowest labor costs of the 4 major players for 2014. And yes that would include profit sharing.

Whomever prepared that chart (I have not seen it) was mistaken and whomever posted it (unless one and the same) fell victim to someone's sloppiness - someone who didn't look at the data.

It's possible that someone is conflating "wage rates" or "average compensation" and "labor costs." They are not the same thing.

In 2014, Delta had the highest labor costs per ASM at 4.41 cents, even higher than Southwest. AA+US had the lowest labor costs among the legacies and WN: DL, UA and WN.

Data here: http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Expense%20Related/Labor/System%20Total%20Labor%20and%20Related%20Expense%20per%20Available%20Seat%20Mile%20(LCASM).htm

Base pay for those who are at that top do not paint the entire picture of overall total costs to the company. From what I have seen they get them big time on medical out of pocket costs. And let's not forget that pernicious Ready Reserve thing they have in over abundance.

That's true.

And by far not all will be receiving a 5 figure PS check. Just the ones you want to focus on.

I do not believe you are correct. Current estimates are that Delta profit sharing for 2015 will equal an additional 20% of W2 wages. In 2014, profit sharing was a bonus of 16%+ on top of W2 wages. Including profit sharing, the average Delta wage and salary in 2014 was $86,138, substantially higher than AA+US or UA. The average DL wage and salary was just slightly less than at WN.

Here's the data: http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Total/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20All%20Employees.htm
 

Oh and the highest labor cost winning trophy goes to Southwest Airlines. By far.

No, that's incorrect. Delta's labor cost per ASM was higher than any other airline, including Southwest.

Employees shouldn't hope that their employer is the highest labor cost airline - as the long-term result of that is typically bankruptcy. Employees would probably be better off striving to enjoy the highest wage rates or average compensation, which is sustainable as long as their high wages are balanced by efficient contracts (keeping total labor costs per ASM within reason).

 

[WeAAsles]

Whomever prepared that chart (I have not seen it) was mistaken and whomever posted it (unless one and the same) fell victim to someone's sloppiness - someone who didn't look at the data.It's possible that someone is conflating "wage rates" or "average compensation" and "labor costs." They are not the same thing.In 2014, Delta had the highest labor costs per ASM at 4.41 cents, even higher than Southwest. AA+US had the lowest labor costs among the legacies and WN: DL, UA and WN.Data here: http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Expense%20Related/Labor/System%20Total%20Labor%20and%20Related%20Expense%20per%20Available%20Seat%20Mile%20(LCASM).htmThat's true.I do not believe you are correct. Current estimates are that Delta profit sharing for 2015 will equal an additional 20% of W2 wages. In 2014, profit sharing was a bonus of 16%+ on top of W2 wages. Including profit sharing, the average Delta wage and salary in 2014 was $86,138, substantially higher than AA+US or UA. The average DL wage and salary was just slightly less than at WN.Here's the data: http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Total/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20All%20Employees.htm No, that's incorrect. Delta's labor cost per ASM was higher than any other airline, including Southwest.Employees shouldn't hope that their employer is the highest labor cost airline - as the long-term result of that is typically bankruptcy. Employees would probably be better off striving to enjoy the highest wage rates or average compensation, which is sustainable as long as their high wages are balanced by efficient contracts (keeping total labor costs per ASM within reason).

Doesn't matter to me. I'll still take a contract and a Union over being at will, any day of the year.

That's the thing "I" prefer.