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chasbatl, you left out ARTISTchasbatl said:
Scab ?
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AMFAMAN said:
No he has to rationalize his submission to concessions by trying to tear down those who decided to fight.
I have no doubt that with the close call at AA and the AMFA wins at UAL and SWA that one thing that the other unions and the airlines could agree upon, along with concessions that is, was that AMFA must be stopped.
The last thing the airline industry wanted was for all the mechanics to end up in AMFA. They may not like the other unions but they know that they can get what they want from them. Sometimes all it takes is channelling a few million $ to the right union officials.
Look at how things went down over the last few years.
USAIR- mechanics were the only group to reject concessions prior to BK, everyone else voted YES right away.
Continental mechanics start card drive for AMFA.
UAL- Mechanics were the only group to reject concessions prior to concessions.
AA-Flight attendants reject concessions because they belived the mechanics were going to vote NO.
The mechanics vote was tainted. The company the union hired failed to send out 3000 ballots to mostly senior Crew Chiefs, (Anne McNamara, a senior AA executive sat on the board of the company hired to do the ballotting). The Crew Chief were more likely to vote NO. Those who did get ballots were given pin numbers that were sequential and anyone who had the pin could change the vote. Despite this, and the huge fear campaign of the TWU International the vote only passed by around 700 votes. The vast majority the yes votes came from the overhaul bases at Tulsa and MCI. It would have been very easy for the International to take the seniority list and figure out the pins and change a few thousand votes to YES without anyone knowing.
AA mechanics file for representational election after collecting 9700 cards, the company, TWU and NMB conspire to prevent a vote by including 3000 extra people who are not mechanics, some never even worked for the company and many were dead.
NWA- Mechanics reject concessions. Every other group accepts them.
Its clear that the point of all this is not just directed at NWA AMFA members but ALL aircraft mechanics. Its a joint effort by the industry and the other airline unions to try and crush our expectations for a fair salary and to have us all unite under one union.
If we had all been in one union then more than likely the concessions wave for mechanics would have stopped at USAIR.
-BigE...umech is a hit and run poster from U who can't afford spell/grammar check software.....i'll post his pic for you:delldude said:
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[/quote]DELL DUDE .... I BELIEVE ITS AGAINST THE RULES TO POST PICTURES OF YOUR / FATHER OR FAMILY MEMBERS AS AVATARS.
AIN'T I RIGHT MR. MEDIATOR
PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH
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BOB, the mechanics at USAIR voted YES to concessions. They were just "confused"(according to the IAM) on the first vote(the one were they voted NO).
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chasbatl said:
Thats right DEAD BIRD I like to cover all the bases by myself, no union required. I have not done the prison scene, but if they ever make it illegal to bust unions open then I might one day.
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chasbatl said:
You better take that spell checker back to Wal-Mart it isn't working "every" well.
When I first started this I refused to comment on peoples spelling errors and I just want you to know that you are the first and I hope the last, because that is beneath me. You have got to watch the company you keep because bad company will bring you down to their level.
Keep up the good work DEAD BIRD.
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Chas I wish to call a truce or a cease fire if you will. This is getting out of hand. You and your partners are turning every topic in here into a PTO bashing contest.
My proposal is that when we make post it is related to the topic or at least keep it in the topic inwhich it is headed to without it becoming a PTO bashing topic. I will create a new topic and even call it BASH PTO HERE and I will respond to the bashings there. So if I make a post in a topic and you disagree simply make your post in a professional manner then at the end write SEE PTO BASHING THREAD. Then go there and unload and vent some steam.
I really would like for all of you to consider my proposal. If so just say so here and I will start the new thread and we will continue from there.
My proposal is that when we make post it is related to the topic or at least keep it in the topic inwhich it is headed to without it becoming a PTO bashing topic. I will create a new topic and even call it BASH PTO HERE and I will respond to the bashings there. So if I make a post in a topic and you disagree simply make your post in a professional manner then at the end write SEE PTO BASHING THREAD. Then go there and unload and vent some steam.
I really would like for all of you to consider my proposal. If so just say so here and I will start the new thread and we will continue from there.
Actually, yes. I Went into management. Own my own business. We all have a tough side, but that can be mellowed over the years. Good luck to you, your going to need it. By the way, start looking for a job now, the winters are harsh unless you've squirrled away some nuts.AMFAMAN said:
Hackman
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Of course, I don't spell check much of what I post here, but I am sure that if I was going to call someone a BUFFOON in big green letters, I would look up the spelling at the minimum if I was unsure.PlayTheOdds said:You better take that spell checker back to Wal-Mart it isn't working "every" well.
When I first started this I refused to comment on peoples spelling errors and I just want you to know that you are the first and I hope the last, because that is beneath me. You have got to watch the company you keep because bad company will bring you down to their level.
Keep up the good work DEAD BIRD.
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.......and for certain if I was a despised NWA scab. :down:
I also just noticed that you have a SCAB-ERIFFIC 727 posts since September 05!!!! What a lonely life if must be.
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Hackman you are to slow for the draw. you know a day late and a dollar short.
So much for that great idea. Keep em coming guys I can handle it. AA I hope you guys are working on your TWU union smashing plan. If you need any help just let me know I wiil show you how to avoid the pitfalls NWA went through to keep a contractor happy so he wont walk off the job. NWA probably lost 1000 mechanics just due to ignorance of the contractors world.
So much for that great idea. Keep em coming guys I can handle it. AA I hope you guys are working on your TWU union smashing plan. If you need any help just let me know I wiil show you how to avoid the pitfalls NWA went through to keep a contractor happy so he wont walk off the job. NWA probably lost 1000 mechanics just due to ignorance of the contractors world.
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If anything is short, its your brain waves PTO....erratic too. I have been out of town on vacation, (do you get NWA scab vacation PTO?). I'm back at my house now, with my own bed, and where are you PTO? In the same lonely scab hotel, aimlessly rapid-fire posting on the BB because your 1000 miles from home and the wifey. Tired of the same pornos you've seen over and over?PlayTheOdds said:
Its getting colder up in DET, and your NWA management "friends" will soon be chopping the free room and Vance goon protection. Will you then be so willing to be a cheap whore for NWA? I can't wait for you tour of duty on MIDS this winter, I sure hope its a nice cold one. Will you get past November? I have a few dead presidents that says you will not. :huh:
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I find you guys to be funny cheap entertainment. I never have been much of a TV or porno guy. I just wish there were more NWA people that posted here. I hope you enjoyed you vacation. I have been on one since June, how long was yours? I will travel home for thanksgiving then return and go home again for christmas. If necessary I will return after the first. I am looking foward to experienceing the Detroit winters. I really find it strange how you guys think that it only gets cold in Detroit. Have you ever been on top of a 11,500 foot mountain? That can get pretty damn cold. Have you ever been on top of a 10,500 ft mountain at night when it is 28 below? That is really damn cold. I had a hard time with that one. Have you ever been duck hunting in December? Why would people live here if it is that extreme. Is there some secret place that only Detroit residents know about that you all go to for some type of anti-cold treatment?
I sure do hope AMFA is not betting the success of this strike on the weather.
I sure do hope AMFA is not betting the success of this strike on the weather.
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PlayTheOdds said:
ROFL,
Northwest does not have goal of keeping contractor mechanics, just as they did not have a goal of keeping their skilled union mechanics.
Northwest Airlines goal is to show the world how cheap the profession of aircraft maintenance can go.
Take a close look at your own postings, on one hand you blame AMFA for the failure at Northwest, then you post that Northwest lost 1000 mechanics because they were "ignorant" to the contractors world.
Seems to me, there is common denominator here, and the fault does not lie with the mechanic regardless of union or not. So now that you have confirmed that AMFA is not the problem, why don't you dispense with the union bashing and tell us what should be done to save the profession from corporate greed and "I've got mine" style of industrial unionism?
