Today marks a first in AA aviation history. The first f/as fall off the seniority list as a casualty of 9-11. This group is made up of both nAAtive and former TWA f/as, all AA f/as in name and spirit. One, our most junior TWA f/a is the daughter of a long time f/a (and also on furlough). I remember watching her grow up and always how proud her mom was of her accomplishments. It was with true pride and joy that we welcomed her into our "family". You all will never know this outstanding woman and that my friends is truly your loss. For the former TWA f/as, today marks the beginning of the end for one of the most well known and respected groups in this industry. It is additionally sad because our peers and fellow AA f/as are not standing beside us but are cheering our demise. It is not crossed your minds that you could very well be next. You have encouraged and allowed our Union (and I use that term loosely) to sign harmful Letters of Agreement that only benefit the Company, without securing equal (with other work groups on the property) or "me too" provisions for the LOAs. I will be interested to see if a grievance is filed on behalf of those furloughed under a more generous recall provision. These furloughed f/as were never served notice of any change in their recall time which would indicate "no change". I only hope our Union files this as a Presidential Grievance as they are well aware of this discrepancy. No one should ever be arrogant enough to think it couldn't happen to them. Let our situation be a great learning lesson for all of you. Please take a moment out of your day to wish your peers "the best".
Sad day in AA history
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Wretched Wrench
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Not trying to trivialize the point but with every misfortune comes opportunity. Should you decide to hold your union accountable it should be easier once there are no more recalls left. A recall list is like security for the union against a representation vote.
Unfortunately with the TWU they have a 10 year recall.
Unfortunately with the TWU they have a 10 year recall.
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Gee, where was all this sentiment when managers, supervisors, analysts, and specialists were being laid off by the hundreds, with absolutely no recall rights whatsoever? And that's from both AA and TW.
What's sad is that many of those laid off had just returned from being deployed as CARE team reps after 9/11 and AA587.
They didn't carry union cards, therefore they weren't dedicated employees, right?
Yes, it's unfortunate that there have been people on furlough for five years. But there are far more who were simply let go with no chance of ever being reinstated to their position, and it really pisses me off how they're conveniently written off and forgotten by the unionized employees without so much as a passing thought, yet you expect everyone to be upset about this? Please....
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I agree. (Although our mangt. was given a very substantial severance package.) And, they had the choice to remain in mangt. or return to "the line". I was merely remarking on a first within the flight attendant position. This wasn't said to spark a debate on who has it worse. AA is the entity that keeps saying that this layoff is STILL 9-11 related. They have managed to get an incredible amount of milage out of that horrific day. No other airline is still using 9-11 as an excuse not to recall their employees. I have said on several occasions that ANY employee whose job was allegedly a casualty of 9-11 should be offered the choice of a return to that position (or another if qualified) before hiring "off the street" A company can either take the high road and be an industry leader or do the "American thing".
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<_< ---- And the fact that your managers didn't take the screwing these F/A's did!!!!! And you know what I'm talking about! :angry:
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Managers, supes, et al go into their employment or promotions with full knowledge that they have very little job security. Most of the unionized employees are promised job security and feel like the rug was pulled our from under them when the rules change.
But you knew that.
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I don't know how anyone can convince themselves that they have job security in this industry. Even in good times one only has to run into people who used to work for companies like Pan Am and Eastern to realize that.
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Especially when you have nearly 20,000 people as a "cushion", AA and their unions have given a whole new meaning to career.
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TWA killed itself, AA just made the mistake of buying the cadaver. Get over it.
What a nasty reply...
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<_< --- Unfortunately there are quit a few Ars holes working for aa! That's way I'll never Capitalize those letters!
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Which is why AA employees are generally considered to be aviation scum. It is what it iz.
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Not taking sides here...but most "management" that is at a less than senior management level usually end up with what can hardly be called a "golden parachute".
I can't speak for AA, but I know at Sprint, there were hundreds of "managment" employees who came to work, found boxes on their desks to pack personal items, and were terminated, and a "good" severance package was one weeks pay for each year they were employed. I would imagine that the vast majority of non union "management" employees that were let go from AA had a similar "golden parachute".
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I would have been stoked with one week of severance pay for each year worked. I worked 35 years and got nothing. Thank you John Ward. But once again this is not about pitting mangt. against union employee, it is solely about broken promises, the milage gotten out of 9-11, and the unnecessary removal of 1000 f/as from the seniority list. We ARE allowed to be sad for all who have lost their jobs at AA. Just because you don't have faces to put with the people doesn't negate the fact that these are good people who should have the ability to say yea or nay to a recall to their former job.
