US1YFARE
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Imagine a Usairways of that size. Oh we'd ALL be doomed.
No, you mean, imagine an American Worst that size.
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No, you mean, imagine an American Worst that size.
Maybe Greyhound will decide to get into the airline business? I heard they have an awesome pre departure beverage service. (joking)
BuffaloJoe
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Greyhounds? I like the dog tracks, more fun to wager on!
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OneOne started off as a ramper that worked up the corporate latter, and a few wives to turn it over the worst of the worst in Wolf.
He sold off everything to sell company and walked away with 50+ million.
One ran it so badly it put us into the first bankruptcy and the first round of cut. Then to come out to early so the next one took us back into and the next round of cuts and to be sold off. DP is not close to being the best. Never said he was but who else is out there? There is only one HK.
sold off everything to sell company and walked away with 50+ mil. One ran it into the first banrupcy and the first round of cut to come out to early so the next one took us back into and the next round of cuts and to be sold off.
OldGuyinPA
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Orioleman...
CEO Douglas Parker must have blinders on not to see how badly this airline is operating. It is completley disfunctional. All levels, all departments. At least we're tops in complaints, baggage, and delays.
We're Number 1###. We're Number 1###. We're Number 1###. We're Number 1###.
The next merger must happen....and Doug must go away. Happy hour is awaiting....Remember..
It's 5:00 somewhere.
CEO Douglas Parker must have blinders on not to see how badly this airline is operating. It is completley disfunctional. All levels, all departments. At least we're tops in complaints, baggage, and delays.
We're Number 1###. We're Number 1###. We're Number 1###. We're Number 1###.
The next merger must happen....and Doug must go away. Happy hour is awaiting....Remember..
It's 5:00 somewhere.
There won't be a merger if Fleet votes against new proposed TA. The company needs the final language that Fleet negotiations will be pushed to 2012 as rest of the groups. Without that language we will not be merging with anyone. No other carrier would take on US if there in contract bargaining/strikes in 2009. It is just too much extra baggage. Its like purchasing a house with a soggy basement.
Personally , I'm hoping for a new res system and the termination of everyone resposible for the qik/shares debacle. Although a merger and elimination of Tempe management wouldn't be too bad either. Just someone who knows how to run an airline and really wants to.
Poug Darker
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My prediction:
Since NW and DL are going to combine, I predict a merger announcement with UAL. The merger game has begun in earnest - here we go! Market Caps are way down, so the dollars required to do the deals are also relatively low, with potentially great rewards in a short amount of time due to capacity restrictions and consolidation, as well as present and future BK's (think Virgin, Frontier - if they don't merge -, Spirit, and possibly JetBlue). UAL publicly stated that they were looking to merge with a carrier strong in the NE, with a hub in the SE, and a strong carribean presence. Folks, that's either DL or LCC, and DL already has a dance partner. LCC loses the hokey stock symbol, gets a name change, stays in the Star Alliance, and gains economies of scale. UAL gains in the aformentioned route structures and revenue, and also LCC's aircraft orders (UAL has none). Look for UAL to ground 737's (gas burners) as quickly as possible with the depressed leasing market providing opportunity to replace them with more fuel efficient airframes from the BK's. This also solves the China problem for LCC (unions take strategic notes here).
What about UAL's interest in CAL? Smokescreen, due diligence, or just crafty horsetrading - you decide - but I think AA has their eye on CAL...if they have any $$ left after buying 100's of thousands of hotel rooms for stranded pax this week.
This leaves Frontier to merge with Alaska, Spirit and Jetblue combining, and Airtran and MidWest (finally).
Folks, there are two drivers in today's environment - Fuel cost and economies of scale. There is one competitor for all airlines, and that is LUV. To compete with them, you must lower your fuel costs by paying less (ha ha) or burning less. You must provide better service, more destinations, and a FF program that hooks the consumer to 'only' your company.
Code sharing is dead, doesn't go far enough. This is only the beginning of consolidation - the next time it's on a global scale.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
Since NW and DL are going to combine, I predict a merger announcement with UAL. The merger game has begun in earnest - here we go! Market Caps are way down, so the dollars required to do the deals are also relatively low, with potentially great rewards in a short amount of time due to capacity restrictions and consolidation, as well as present and future BK's (think Virgin, Frontier - if they don't merge -, Spirit, and possibly JetBlue). UAL publicly stated that they were looking to merge with a carrier strong in the NE, with a hub in the SE, and a strong carribean presence. Folks, that's either DL or LCC, and DL already has a dance partner. LCC loses the hokey stock symbol, gets a name change, stays in the Star Alliance, and gains economies of scale. UAL gains in the aformentioned route structures and revenue, and also LCC's aircraft orders (UAL has none). Look for UAL to ground 737's (gas burners) as quickly as possible with the depressed leasing market providing opportunity to replace them with more fuel efficient airframes from the BK's. This also solves the China problem for LCC (unions take strategic notes here).
What about UAL's interest in CAL? Smokescreen, due diligence, or just crafty horsetrading - you decide - but I think AA has their eye on CAL...if they have any $$ left after buying 100's of thousands of hotel rooms for stranded pax this week.
This leaves Frontier to merge with Alaska, Spirit and Jetblue combining, and Airtran and MidWest (finally).
Folks, there are two drivers in today's environment - Fuel cost and economies of scale. There is one competitor for all airlines, and that is LUV. To compete with them, you must lower your fuel costs by paying less (ha ha) or burning less. You must provide better service, more destinations, and a FF program that hooks the consumer to 'only' your company.
Code sharing is dead, doesn't go far enough. This is only the beginning of consolidation - the next time it's on a global scale.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
Travelpro72
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I feel that a United merger may be very possible. Due to what was mentioned in what they were looking for in a merger partner. That being said I think that it's a great possibility that US could go after Frontier now that they are in bankruptcy. Anything is possible I guess. That would give US the midcon hub (sort of).
Frontier just announced their filing for bankruptcy.
Poug Darker
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Sorry, Frontier brings nothing to the table. 62 airplanes and 6,000 employees all hubbing out of DIA. If LCC merged with Frontier, all it would do is tick off UAL (the other player in Denver) and put them at odds with a Star Alliance partner. Sadly, letting them close up shop would be better than acquisition - it would eliminate a future competitor, potentially drive down aircraft lease rates, and constrain capacity.
Also, why expend the time, effort, and $$ to acquire them when those resources could be used to merge with UAL, who brings much more to a M&A deal.
Also, why expend the time, effort, and $$ to acquire them when those resources could be used to merge with UAL, who brings much more to a M&A deal.
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Poug...,
It is already happening on a global scale...the purpose of which is to reduce the amount of airlines globally to 2 -3 airlines per continent...continents will more accurately describe the geological land mass of which the countries will now form Unions as in the European Union - E.U.. For North America (soon to be called North American Union with the currency known as the AMERO), where many of us reside, we shall eventually see only 2 to 3 carriers handling all air traffic for Canada, Mexico and the USA. All conveniently handled by the United Nations...There are several elements that will cause this: 1. Oil prices 2. Failing economies 3. War 4. Huge geological upheavals. 5. plagues. Just as Canada, Mexico and USA moneys and borders will fuse to serve one purpose so shall the airlines contained therein.
I'd like to say go back to sleep etc, but if ever there was a time to be wide awake, it's right now.
It is already happening on a global scale...the purpose of which is to reduce the amount of airlines globally to 2 -3 airlines per continent...continents will more accurately describe the geological land mass of which the countries will now form Unions as in the European Union - E.U.. For North America (soon to be called North American Union with the currency known as the AMERO), where many of us reside, we shall eventually see only 2 to 3 carriers handling all air traffic for Canada, Mexico and the USA. All conveniently handled by the United Nations...There are several elements that will cause this: 1. Oil prices 2. Failing economies 3. War 4. Huge geological upheavals. 5. plagues. Just as Canada, Mexico and USA moneys and borders will fuse to serve one purpose so shall the airlines contained therein.
I'd like to say go back to sleep etc, but if ever there was a time to be wide awake, it's right now.
N965VJ
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Maybe we could just buy Lynx for the Q400's.
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