RECALL of Council 70 President! Merged Topics

[sharktooth]

You outted yourself, dummy. Edit the post.

Who cares?

The truth is all I care about. Too bad some idiots (as well as many pilots) care more about a daily USAirways soap opera than actually solving problems here. Unfortunately, those like drama-queen Dannyboy have used you to slam yourself.

TG will sacrifice any politics to care for the flight attendant individual. It is in her nature. She has always put the flight attendant ahead of politics. Because of that, she will never get much of a management job here, or much of a union job. She has job offers all over the place. She has been told she can teach half the courses in law school, by a person most every lawyer would bow down to. You guys are in demand, should you try to look around.

Perhaps a union should look for people who really don't want to do the job. There are tons of competant people on the line.

Perhaps we need to quit playing games here and start laying our cards on the table. Of course, I've been wrong before..........

 

[aredeeyou22]

So hiding behind a MASK is what you all want

No. I want a strong union, and I truly believe that is what we have within AFA70. I want the LECVP to maintain the fight, and to continue to support and defend our interests. I firmly believe that the work the LECVP and the RSV chair did was (and is!) incredibly beneficial, and their integrity is being attacked on this gossip board by some people who are sadly misinformed and intensely bitter at the RSV system. Everyone is miserable on this RSV system, some just know how and where to channel their anger. Others do not.

Hopefully, the recall of the LECP will proceed, and we can move forward.

Thank you.

PS: Please enlighten me as to why the LECVP should be recalled.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

do i care that i am who you think you think i am tg so what set the table and i will show up for breakfast......ps Teddy I am having a RECALL LA PARTY CAN YOU SHOW UP ?

Don't forget the donuts; Laura needs sustenance.

Later,
Eye

 

[PITbull]

Shark,

Well, that's no compliment.

Trust that there is no way that U management would have ever offered me a job. Its important that management know your allegiance and that you as a union rep would NEVER cross over, ever.

As far as teaching law courses, haven't seen that talent from any U reps for sure or AFA legal team. And acting like a drama queen with no "written" argument (which no officer except PIT writes out, won't cut it and doesn't win jobs.

Just seen the grievances outstanding that move to system Board just from PHL has been phenominal the past couple years. Someone is dropping the ball, and the company is getting away with new policies of discipline by establishing precedence and past practice. The root of that is smack in PHL.

You need at least two officers FULL time m-f in that base to keep track of what is going on. Presently, that is not happening. It hurts the rest of the union and the entire MEC if the LECP drops the ball in PHL or leaves it up to a volunteer or appointee to handle these issues.

The company knows who they can manipulate; they can smell weakness, indecisiveness and a flake instantly.

Reps need to be Savvy, articulate having their argument well thought out in advance with evidence...creating mitigating is an "art"...and PHL Reps don't have it.

 

[Lovethesun]

[quote name='PHL BULL' date='Aug 8 2006, 06:58 PM..we need to Keep her in she has what it takes...and will fight for all of us...she will NEVER sell you down the river!!! \

She will never sell you down the river huh, but she will stab someone in the back. I bet PITBULL would agree with that statement.
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[EyeInTheSky]

Too bad some idiots (as well as many pilots) care more about a daily USAirways soap opera than actually solving problems here.

You're right. Do you know what the biggest problem is with flight attendants? Point blank, they somehow manage to get caught up in stupidity other than for the greater good of the group. Do you know how many times I heard line stews complaining about union leaders not being like them they are "too educated" "they aren't like us because they have a college degree." What a bunch of crap! It's their own damn fault this is going on. Get real. They've managed to get rid of the smartest people who were terrific union reps. What goes around comes around...

Later,
Eye

 

[aredeeyou22]

You're right. Do you know what the biggest problem is with flight attendants? Point blank, they somehow manage to get caught up in stupidity other than for the greater good of the group. Do you know how many times I heard line stews complaining about union leaders not being like them they are "too educated" "they aren't like us because they have a college degree." What a bunch of crap! It's their own damn fault this is going on. Get real. They've managed to get rid of the smartest people who were terrific union reps. What goes around comes around...

Later,
Eye

Could not agree more. These people beg and beg and beg for the recall of all, for the rsv chair to step down, for "fresh blood," and they have not a CLUE what this means..... Sad....

FWIW, I respect the LECVP and her years of experience. I have seen her in action many times, and have never been anything other than impressed.

Thank you.

 

[PITbull]

Could not agree more. These people beg and beg and beg for the recall of all, for the rsv chair to step down, for "fresh blood," and they have not a CLUE what this means..... Sad....

FWIW, I respect the LECVP and her years of experience. I have seen her in action many times, and have never been anything other than impressed.

Thank you.

aredee,

Put your friendships aside. It has to do with skill and talent; not years of service. I respect passion and I can't say that the intent isn't there. Its the intelligence and lack of well focus follow-through that is deprived in the Council.

 

[aredeeyou22]

aredee,

Put your friendships aside. It has to do with skill and talent; not years of service. I respect passion and I can't say that the intent isn't there. Its the intelligence and lack of focus-follow through that is deprived in the Council.

What "friendships" are you referring to, Pitbull? I have already stated many times that the AFA70 members wouldn't know me if they ran right into me. I am referring to SKILL and TALENT. Every time I have had the need to contact AFA70, the LECVP and the RSV chair have been very helpful and informative. And yes, skill and talent are related to "years of service". Its experience, right? Didn't you yourself say a few pages back that when you started, you did not know things, and were taught the ropes?

Don't misunderstand me here. I have a dog in this fight, because we are in a negotiation period where ALOT is at stake. Cost neutral, anyone?

I want strong people in that office, and I believe the LECVP is quite strong and steadfast.

Thank you.

 

[RAG]

Question...

How many of you winnie people actually volenteer for our union? How many of you take time out of your busy schedule and work in the office, Rep for F/A that need assistance been through EAP training? ANYTHING AT ALL????
If you don't do a damn thing for this union besides pay your dues then stop complaining! It's a lot of F*&#kn work with no gratitude.

 

[PITbull]

Its experience, right? Didn't you yourself say a few pages back that when you started, you did not know things, and were taught the ropes?

uh, no.

Skill sets obtained on that learning curve were not taught by anyone in the union...from AFA International top---down.

The "ropes" as you put it, were created on my own. Thank god no past years experience necessary.

Question...

How many of you winnie people actually volenteer for our union? How many of you take time out of your busy schedule and work in the office, Rep for F/A that need assistance been through EAP training? ANYTHING AT ALL????
If you don't do a damn thing for this union besides pay your dues then stop complaining! It's a lot of F*&#kn work with no gratitude.

Wow. Someone is feeling unappreciated...

You damn "winnie" people you don't "volenteer"...

 

[sharktooth]

Shark,

Well, that's no compliment.

Trust that there is no way that U management would have ever offered me a job. Its important that management know your allegiance and that you as a union rep would NEVER cross over, ever.

As far as teaching law courses, haven't seen that talent from any U reps for sure or AFA legal team. And acting like a drama queen with no "written" argument (which no officer except PIT writes out, won't cut it and doesn't win jobs.

You are going at it from the wrong side. Every single person (you included) are able to negotiate. AFA has chosen to submit in a pathetic manner (my opinion).

Just seen the grievances outstanding that move to system Board just from PHL has been phenominal the past couple years. Someone is dropping the ball, and the company is getting away with new policies of discipline by establishing precedence and past practice. The root of that is smack in PHL.

Amazing you feel the need to lie. The grievances have been stacking up for months. The ball has been dropped from the MEC. Your buddy is at the root of the problem.

You need at least two officer FULL time in that base to keep track of what is going on. Presently, that is not happening. It hurts the rest of the union and the entire MEC if the LECP drops the ball in PHL or leaves it up to a volunteer or appointee to handle these issues.

I agree, and your target should be the president. The fact that you think she "unseated you" may or may not play in this.

TG presented you with a "simple" solution, which you chose to ignore. She is driven by honest ethics and when you refused to inform the MEC of your "deal", she was bound by honesty to inform the MEC. Nothing more, nothing less. You could have been less arrogant and conformed and I expect, the MEC would have passed. Instead, you chose to make an issue of it. Jeez, don't blame someone else for your arrogance.

The company knows who they can manipulate; they can smell weakness, indecisiveness and a flake instantly.

Reps need to be Savvy, articulate having their argument well thought out in advance with evidence...creating mitigating is an "art"...and PHL Reps don't have it.

I would disagree. One rep. , in spite of her "boss", got the idiot manager fired. TG's only mistake is trying to work with the idiot attorneys and all at AFA, IMHO. IMHO, she should consign them to the short bus to the nearest cliff.

 

[USAguy97]

Who cares?

The truth is all I care about. Too bad some idiots (as well as many pilots) care more about a daily USAirways soap opera than actually solving problems here. Unfortunately, those like drama-queen Dannyboy have used you to slam yourself.



Shark you just don't get it do you? You talk about idiots and the soap opera, but you call people names who is trying to help solve the problem in AFA. Maybe you should be more concerned about ALPA and DOH then butting your nose in the Local business in PHL. Focus your energy on that instead of the name calling. As posted before leave the innocent out of your postings. You will get more from people with honey than vinegar. Put your vinegar away and keep the posting to the fact that there is an issue in PHL and that we need to have a meeting!

 

[aredeeyou22]

Quoting sharktooth:
TG presented you with a "simple" solution, which you chose to ignore. She is driven by honest ethics and when you refused to inform the MEC of your "deal", she was bound by honesty to inform the MEC. Nothing more, nothing less. You could have been less arrogant and conformed and I expect, the MEC would have passed. Instead, you chose to make an issue of it. Jeez, don't blame someone else for your arrogance.


Now it is all a little bit clearer. I had forgotten about this. After all, it was a while ago....Pitbull, care to elaborate on the topic for us here?

Thank you.

 

[PITbull]

You are going at it from the wrong side. Every single person (you included) are able to negotiate. AFA has chosen to submit in a pathetic manner (my opinion).
Amazing you feel the need to lie. The grievances have been stacking up for months. The ball has been dropped from the MEC. Your buddy is at the root of the problem.
I agree, and your target should be the president. The fact that you think she "unseated you" may or may not play in this.

TG presented you with a "simple" solution, which you chose to ignore. She is driven by honest ethics and when you refused to inform the MEC of your "deal", she was bound by honesty to inform the MEC. Nothing more, nothing less. You could have been less arrogant and conformed and I expect, the MEC would have passed. Instead, you chose to make an issue of it. Jeez, don't blame someone else for your arrogance.
I would disagree. One rep. , in spite of her "boss", got the idiot manager fired. TG's only mistake is trying to work with the idiot attorneys and all at AFA, IMHO. IMHO, she should consign them to the short bus to the nearest cliff.

Uh, Sharky, that's not how that issue with Teddy went. Most members of the MEC knew of Jerry's intent (not written and Laura was new to the MEC) and it was not accepted regardless of your spin and Terry's. Teddy resigned because of Laura and Mike who wanted her seat and pressured her resignation the entire weekend, and Terry wanted whatever Laura wanted. Terry is about Terry and about "big drama". She was given that letter by someone in senior level management. She would not furnish to the MEC her source but its suspected it was Sherry Hendry VP who was pretty close to your girl. Total set up. The senior management who furnished that letter to TG wanted Teddy out quickly, because the NEW management thought she had too much control and influence for their liking. Teddy sent a letter to the entire membership (you must have missed that) and resigned knowing that Council 70 leadership will run a muck. Those two cared more about the negotiations with AWA PHX base for their PSA buddies than any other focus at the time. Teddy was in the midst of negotiating with labor relations a reduction in dependability level "time line" (the last thing on her plate she wanted to accomplish before she existed)...and guess what...the entire MEC missed that moment of opportunity. Hence, the dependability levels remain the same today, which increases the grievances and terminations in all bases...


With regard to the MEC Grievance Chair..and AFA legal...I'm way ahead of you on that issue. No friends of mine. This is a prime example of putting someone in position with no education; just years of service to credit. I find it most amazing that the folks that are the least threatening to AFA get these types of positions. Simply amazing. Its like you just plain vote stupid, best buddy, and you win. That's the biggest mistake AFA at U makes on the MEC level that I've witnessed. Someone may devote their time, volunteer alot, establish friendship...think they can run for the seat, and they win with the MEC knowing full well the individual has major limitations (but, they don't want to make enemies, make waves, and hurt their feelings with the risk of alienation)..case in point more often than not.

Guess what, that Chair stays under the "radar" more than anyone else in the entire MEC. Never shows for work in PIT...I mean never. And won't retire until her chair seat expires and doesn't get reelected. She has a bigger budget than the entire MEC and pays others to go into the MEC office to cover for her.

I don't suspect she will get reelected as Chair, and you will see her take a quick retirement.

With regard to Terry's alleged integrity, Laura has a different version. Tell her to furnish her pay hours for the past 12 months, days in the office and post her schedule. With regard to the International lines of flying and her taking those trips dumping it to ETB and her friends being alerted so they can be the first to pick them up, its between her word against those who picked up those trips and told someone else inadvertently.

Union integrity, indeed.