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- Apr 16, 2003
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Casual observers might mistake my post as "comments" rather than what it was---A quote. People more studious than the average would know where the quote comes from and those more interested in real debate would point to the specific items they propose are factually in error. (That would demonstrate their intellect and serve to enlighten others of what is the “real truth,†allowing people to make their own judgment.)
A simple “You are wrong. Nanny nanny boo boo.†Doesn’t reveal much, at least not of what was intended.
The fact remains…pilots in distant bases conspired to discredit and recall the reps that they perceived as the most vulnerable to being overthrow. The men who unilaterally agreed to the company forcefully acquiring the several billion dollar pension, without membership representation or ratification, are the same men who failed to keep their promise to present the capitulation of the same pension to all the voting members of the active pilots. (Notice that not only did the active pilots not have a chance to vote on the capitulation of their pension, neither did those pilots who were already living on their pension in retirement.)
A handful of men unjustly misrepresented the wishes of their pilots whom they were sworn to represent, and for doing so several of them where tossed overboard.
These men who orchestrated the false accusations in the present matter, and failed in their slanderous recall efforts were also the same men who orchestrated a retroactive pay cut not too long ago (have we already forgotten?)
As examples of their questionable tactics (notice this is not nanny nanny boo boo):
As already mentioned:
1. They agreed to a retroactive pay cut without membership ratification though they promised it.
2. They agreed to the capitulation of the several billion dollar pension for all pilots, retired, active, and furloughed. Without membership ratification though they promised it.
3. Some of the men used questionable tactics to gain an MEC seat in an election that was by electronic ballet (ie over the internet). They presented their own personal laptop to hundreds of pilots in the crew room to allow pilots to vote. (nothing like owning the ballot box).
4. They who used questionable tactics (in example 3. above) to gain the seat remained in power by defeating a recall effort by capriciously discrediting proxy votes. Funny that they should capriciously discredit votes when they were being recalled for “unjust†voting practices.
5. They made false accusations in the recent events. PHL reps made attempts to insure ballots were legitimate. The GAG tried slander. Perhaps they should have looked for hanging chads.
6. But most of all, these orchestrated this whole effort from a different base, attempting to meddle in affairs not their own in order to disenfranchise the pilots of a different base.
There is clearly a pattern here. The men who had the power, who lied to their constituents to gain power, who lied to their constituents to follow their own agenda, who were tossed out because they failed to keep their promises of fair and equitable representation, are indeed the same individuals who are still lying in an attempt to regain power.
The pattern is manipulation and execution of their desires without regard to the wishes of those represented.
The current PHL reps promised to allow membership votes on all changes. So far they have kept their promise to present everything for membership vote. As long as they do, then the self-appointed saviors will have to remain in the peanut gallery.
Respectfully,
Phoenix
A simple “You are wrong. Nanny nanny boo boo.†Doesn’t reveal much, at least not of what was intended.
The fact remains…pilots in distant bases conspired to discredit and recall the reps that they perceived as the most vulnerable to being overthrow. The men who unilaterally agreed to the company forcefully acquiring the several billion dollar pension, without membership representation or ratification, are the same men who failed to keep their promise to present the capitulation of the same pension to all the voting members of the active pilots. (Notice that not only did the active pilots not have a chance to vote on the capitulation of their pension, neither did those pilots who were already living on their pension in retirement.)
A handful of men unjustly misrepresented the wishes of their pilots whom they were sworn to represent, and for doing so several of them where tossed overboard.
These men who orchestrated the false accusations in the present matter, and failed in their slanderous recall efforts were also the same men who orchestrated a retroactive pay cut not too long ago (have we already forgotten?)
As examples of their questionable tactics (notice this is not nanny nanny boo boo):
As already mentioned:
1. They agreed to a retroactive pay cut without membership ratification though they promised it.
2. They agreed to the capitulation of the several billion dollar pension for all pilots, retired, active, and furloughed. Without membership ratification though they promised it.
3. Some of the men used questionable tactics to gain an MEC seat in an election that was by electronic ballet (ie over the internet). They presented their own personal laptop to hundreds of pilots in the crew room to allow pilots to vote. (nothing like owning the ballot box).
4. They who used questionable tactics (in example 3. above) to gain the seat remained in power by defeating a recall effort by capriciously discrediting proxy votes. Funny that they should capriciously discredit votes when they were being recalled for “unjust†voting practices.
5. They made false accusations in the recent events. PHL reps made attempts to insure ballots were legitimate. The GAG tried slander. Perhaps they should have looked for hanging chads.
6. But most of all, these orchestrated this whole effort from a different base, attempting to meddle in affairs not their own in order to disenfranchise the pilots of a different base.
There is clearly a pattern here. The men who had the power, who lied to their constituents to gain power, who lied to their constituents to follow their own agenda, who were tossed out because they failed to keep their promises of fair and equitable representation, are indeed the same individuals who are still lying in an attempt to regain power.
The pattern is manipulation and execution of their desires without regard to the wishes of those represented.
The current PHL reps promised to allow membership votes on all changes. So far they have kept their promise to present everything for membership vote. As long as they do, then the self-appointed saviors will have to remain in the peanut gallery.
Respectfully,
Phoenix
