Recal Of Phl Reps Fails
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TheLarkAscending
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I agree with your statement and would like to extend a huge thank you to those of you that have had the coconuts to stand up and speak out...at last!usairways_vote_NO said:
EyeInTheSky
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The mutiny failed. The tribe has spoken. It's a wrap.USA320Pilot said:
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Are you implying that someone who posts on this forum has a Napoleon Complex and would be hairless without that manure stuff? B)
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:eye:EyeInTheSky said:
:bleh: Hey, that commercial was aired world-wide!
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To get back on topic…
There is one more principle to consider that no doubt influenced the outcome of the failed recall effort in PHL.
There were some prominent individuals politically aligned with the leaders of the recall effort that were oddly enough probably a liability rather than an asset. I speak of the fanatics who wanted so badly to win that they dropped moderation and composure from their repertoire. Fanatics on your side can turn out to be a liability.
In fact, if your opponents have a fanatic or zealot in their midst it can be useful to surreptitiously assist said fanatic in obtaining a prominent platform from which to launch his message (For the purpose of course to paint the whole group of associates as “fanaticsâ€).
It is a useful principle in the fray and after. Thus, one should cease their successful assault in a timely fashion else they be in danger of being the fanatic.
Who would malign him who fells his opponent in battle; yet a dead horse that is beaten too many times will gain sympathy.
Over and Out,
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There is one more principle to consider that no doubt influenced the outcome of the failed recall effort in PHL.
There were some prominent individuals politically aligned with the leaders of the recall effort that were oddly enough probably a liability rather than an asset. I speak of the fanatics who wanted so badly to win that they dropped moderation and composure from their repertoire. Fanatics on your side can turn out to be a liability.
In fact, if your opponents have a fanatic or zealot in their midst it can be useful to surreptitiously assist said fanatic in obtaining a prominent platform from which to launch his message (For the purpose of course to paint the whole group of associates as “fanaticsâ€).
It is a useful principle in the fray and after. Thus, one should cease their successful assault in a timely fashion else they be in danger of being the fanatic.
Who would malign him who fells his opponent in battle; yet a dead horse that is beaten too many times will gain sympathy.
Over and Out,
Phoenix
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Shortly after entering office the PHL Reps distributed an unofficial LOA 91 “talking point†paper that was filled with inaccurate information. In response the MEC Communication Committee responded on the April 14 #2 code-a-phone message, “Emails with false and misleading information about proposed LOA 91 have been circulating among the pilot group disguised as authentic MEC material. Please do not be misled by this mis-information campaign. Genuine MEC materials discussing LOA 91 are being prepared and will be provided to you prior to the LOA 91 road shows,†the code-a-phone said.
On June 11 the PHL Reps distributed a council update where the LEC Reps purposely misrepresented information regarding the recent Wilson Poll, creating false furlough information that was characterized as a “reckless innuendo†and breaching MEC confidentiality.
In a June 14 email to the Reps, ALPA Communications Committee Chairman Jack Stephan wrote, “For the record, the term "furlough" is not used in the May 17 Confidential Company Presentation and our Negotiating Committee (the pollsters you refer to) and most of the MEC were in favor of deleting any reference to any confidential/"substantial" number. To also suggest that our Negotiating Committee was trying to lead our pilots to a predetermined path in their questioning is a “reckless innuendoâ€, Stephan wrote to the Council Reps.
Stephen also said that the Council Reps were free to distribute his comments.
Stephen continued, “The MEC has been warned on many occasions as to the serious consequences to breaches of confidentiality. That issue is absent in your recent missive to the Council 41 (Phiadelphia) pilots.â€
On June 18 in open session, MEC Chairman Bill Pollock publicly scolded the PHL Reps for additional confidentiality breaches because a PHL line pilot called the MEC office and asked Jeff Small, ALPA’s contract administrator and a lawyer, questions about confidential information. Small then asked the pilot who provided him with the information and he was told it was Captain Rep John Crocker. What’s discouraging about this latest confidentiality breach is that Stephan warned the PHL Reps about confidentiality breaches and these men continued with their dishonest actions.
In three short months in office, the PHL Council 41 Reps have had three scoldings and warnings from the MEC for confidentiality breaches and purposely providing false information.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
On June 11 the PHL Reps distributed a council update where the LEC Reps purposely misrepresented information regarding the recent Wilson Poll, creating false furlough information that was characterized as a “reckless innuendo†and breaching MEC confidentiality.
In a June 14 email to the Reps, ALPA Communications Committee Chairman Jack Stephan wrote, “For the record, the term "furlough" is not used in the May 17 Confidential Company Presentation and our Negotiating Committee (the pollsters you refer to) and most of the MEC were in favor of deleting any reference to any confidential/"substantial" number. To also suggest that our Negotiating Committee was trying to lead our pilots to a predetermined path in their questioning is a “reckless innuendoâ€, Stephan wrote to the Council Reps.
Stephen also said that the Council Reps were free to distribute his comments.
Stephen continued, “The MEC has been warned on many occasions as to the serious consequences to breaches of confidentiality. That issue is absent in your recent missive to the Council 41 (Phiadelphia) pilots.â€
On June 18 in open session, MEC Chairman Bill Pollock publicly scolded the PHL Reps for additional confidentiality breaches because a PHL line pilot called the MEC office and asked Jeff Small, ALPA’s contract administrator and a lawyer, questions about confidential information. Small then asked the pilot who provided him with the information and he was told it was Captain Rep John Crocker. What’s discouraging about this latest confidentiality breach is that Stephan warned the PHL Reps about confidentiality breaches and these men continued with their dishonest actions.
In three short months in office, the PHL Council 41 Reps have had three scoldings and warnings from the MEC for confidentiality breaches and purposely providing false information.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
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700UW:
No, just the facts and actually quotes, but you were not there and did not read the correspondence.
700UW, on two occasions Jack Stephan the ALPA Communication Committee Chairman reprimanded the PHL Council Reps and then in "open session" MEC Chairman Bill Pollock scolded the PHL Reps for constitution and by-law violations.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
No, just the facts and actually quotes, but you were not there and did not read the correspondence.
700UW, on two occasions Jack Stephan the ALPA Communication Committee Chairman reprimanded the PHL Council Reps and then in "open session" MEC Chairman Bill Pollock scolded the PHL Reps for constitution and by-law violations.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
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700UW:
Are you blind or can you not understand the statement and fact below? Let me go slower for you…
Jack Stephan the ALPA Communication Committee Chairman reprimanded the PHL Council Reps and then in "open session" MEC Chairman Bill Pollock scolded the PHL Reps for constitution and by-law violations.
This is public information…go check!
Burn it down to the ground…the concession stand is closed. I am disgusted ALPA took the lead an offered the company a pay cut larger than what the company sought. Burn it down to the ground.
Then let's overload the unemployment offices' with on-line applications and then go to the Social Security Adminstration to get food stamps, so over 30,000 families can eat.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
Are you blind or can you not understand the statement and fact below? Let me go slower for you…
Jack Stephan the ALPA Communication Committee Chairman reprimanded the PHL Council Reps and then in "open session" MEC Chairman Bill Pollock scolded the PHL Reps for constitution and by-law violations.
This is public information…go check!
Burn it down to the ground…the concession stand is closed. I am disgusted ALPA took the lead an offered the company a pay cut larger than what the company sought. Burn it down to the ground.
Then let's overload the unemployment offices' with on-line applications and then go to the Social Security Adminstration to get food stamps, so over 30,000 families can eat.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
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US has only 28,000 employees,USA320Pilot said:
Why don't you go to the furloughed members of the IAM who will now not have a job MDA since your union gave 70+ seaters to the Mesa's of the world and bring them food.
Why don't you go to the laid off employees who were not called back when the company blantantly stole thier work and sent it to AL and bring them food.
Why don't you take your nose out of IAM, AFA and TWU business and let those members decide their own future?
They are quite capable of making a decision without your contstant interference.
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