Reason Many Say AFA Is Waiting To File (NMB Replacement)

[LukeAisleWalker]

The truth is the current phone poll is being done just like what was done with AMFA. AFA is testing the waters to see if its really worth it, as they know more then a majority of Delta FA's will not go for AFA. In the end, dont be too surprised AFA calls it quits very soon...just like AMFA.

This is the funniest thing I've read on the internet in ages!!!!
You can't be serious. Do you realize that AMFA at Northwest really only had about 100 mechanics who were members of the union? Talk about apples and oranges!!

 

[Dignity]

the current phone poll

what poll? I havent had anyone contact me, or is this just for DAL people and to see how they feel about the situation?

to me, wouldnt it just make more sense to have an election and that way it can truly be determined how the majority feels by actually voting?

 

[Dignity]

there will be an election!

when?

And we will win!

I actually like your attitude but some are wanting to write in someone else...the dues increase didnt seem to help.

 

[jimntx]

I have a friend who is very senior (approx. 40 years) at Delta. Over the weekend, she once again said to me (it's practically a mantra now), "Oh, I want us to have a union at Delta, but now is not the right time." These are the exact words she has been saying for almost 30 years that I have known her. Apparently it has never been the right time, nor can she explain to me what would be the right time. She just says, "I talked with my manager." I get the impression that this sentiment is common among her cohorts in the senior ranks.

 

[dapoes]

what poll? I havent had anyone contact me, or is this just for DAL people and to see how they feel about the situation?

to me, wouldnt it just make more sense to have an election and that way it can truly be determined how the majority feels by actually voting?

Not sure if they are contacting both groups, but AFA has hired an outside company to call FA's to get feedback on how they would vote "if" there was an election. Not "when" but "if" there was an election. What does that tell you?

If AFA was so overly confident then why spend NWA FA dues to hire an outside firm and poll DAL FA's how they would vote "if" there was an election? Voting drives are expensive for the union and they dont want to waste the money if there is lack of desire for AFA.

Like I said before, dont be too surprised that AFA decides to pull out due to lack of desire, just like what happen with AMFA.

 

[Dignity]

I have a friend who is very senior (approx. 40 years) at Delta. Over the weekend, she once again said to me (it's practically a mantra now), "Oh, I want us to have a union at Delta, but now is not the right time." These are the exact words she has been saying for almost 30 years that I have known her.

That is just another way of saying... No thank you.

Apparently it has never been the right time, nor can she explain to me what would be the right time. She just says, "I talked with my manager." I get the impression that this sentiment is common among her cohorts in the senior ranks.

probably she feels that way.. because they have a history of always working together..management and employees...I hope that will continue, we need to have that type of positive change, and for it to continue..

partnership
n.
The state of being a partner.

A legal contract entered into by two or more persons in which each agrees to furnish a part of the capital and labor for a business enterprise, and by which each shares a fixed proportion of profits and losses.
The persons bound by such a contract.
A relationship between individuals or groups that is characterized by mutual cooperation and responsibility, as for the achievement of a specified goal


its time to start working together as a team, as some have already grasped that concept...it will be the only way for true success, it is imperative at this point.

addressing seniority integration would be the first right step in that direction..

I would suggest putting down all the baggage some have been carrying all these years and unpack it... and start focusing on doing something in another frame of mind...because the way it has always been done.. (poor labor relations)

is not working..

Lets use 'poor labor relations' as an example of what not to do at the ..worlds largest airline.

 

[Dignity]

Not sure if they are contacting both groups, but AFA has hired an outside company to call FA's to get feedback on how they would vote "if" there was an election. Not "when" but "if" there was an election. What does that tell you?

polling to see how someone would vote? just have an election! and I have not been contacted.

If AFA was so overly confident then why spend NWA FA dues to hire an outside firm and poll DAL FA's how they would vote "if" there was an election? Voting drives are expensive for the union and they dont want to waste the money if there is lack of desire for AFA.

I actually support surveys when they are absolutely necessary, contract issues..but not for this venture..

Like I said before, dont be too surprised that AFA decides to pull out due to lack of desire, just like what happen with AMFA.

I honestly do not think that is going to happen..there will more than likely be an election, but of course the timeline for that is undetermined..

polling people at this point is not going to help resolve this issue, spending money for this is unnecessary at this point as well.. people have either made up their minds or frustrated with the lack of effectiveness and wiliness to address..anything...

tend to feel more have probably already made up their minds..

they should have called for an election as soon as it was possible..if there was to be any right time to have this "election" ..it would have been before a DOH recommendation.. in my opinion.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Not sure if they are contacting both groups, but AFA has hired an outside company to call FA's to get feedback on how they would vote "if" there was an election. Not "when" but "if" there was an election. What does that tell you?

If AFA was so overly confident then why spend NWA FA dues to hire an outside firm and poll DAL FA's how they would vote "if" there was an election? Voting drives are expensive for the union and they dont want to waste the money if there is lack of desire for AFA.

Like I said before, dont be too surprised that AFA decides to pull out due to lack of desire, just like what happen with AMFA.

I'm Delta and I haven't been contacted, but then again I haven't joined the NO Way site over at FB--they seem to be the only ones getting this call!! On a side note, I love how the gang over there says the NMB voting rules shouldn't be changed after all these years and that the burden for unionization is on the union (hence they are against a Yes/No ballot)..YET....they get sooo upset when the union tries to actually do the work NoWay'ers say they must do rather than depend on a real democratic (Yes/No) vote. One phone call and many of these people go into hysterics. (For the record, I am against multiple get out the vote calls).

I got off track. I just don't think AFA would pull out of this when 9 months ago, they got 40% of Delta FAs, the NW group makes up about 35% (which automatically triggers an election in this merger scenario and if it's not quite 35%, it's just under by my calculations. If memory serves me correctly, that extra 2 or 3% of interest cards must be made in 14 days---pretty easy task.)
I think this would be the largest union election in recent, if not of all time. The stakes are high. I would be flabergasted if it was called off.

 

[poplockanddropit]

I am just flabergasted that there are so many naive flight attendants.. It's unreal to say the least.. I just have one question for you guys? Is it possible to go on to your DAL company website and pull up the seniority list to see where you stand? I am just curious, b/c I just did that on my company webwsite to see how many people i have moved up in the last month.. Also, as soon as I walk into my domicile there is a published seniority list for my domicile and company wide.. Just wondering if it is like that at DAL???

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

I am just flabergasted that there are so many naive flight attendants.. It's unreal to say the least..

Yes, it is.

Is it possible to go on to your DAL company website and pull up the seniority list to see where you stand?

No it is not. The list is not accessible on Deltanet.

Also, as soon as I walk into my domicile there is a published seniority list for my domicile and company wide.. Just wondering if it is like that at DAL???

No, you must ask the on-duty supervisor to see the list which is usually in a binder behind their desk/birdcage. Years and years ago, the binders would be on a shelf in some domiciles where a f/a could grab it and look through it. But now you must ask to see it. I haven't traveled through all bases lately but in the ones I've been in, that's the way it works.

 

[BABABOOY]

What is the Seniority list that's on the IFS web page?

 

[dapoes]

I am just flabergasted that there are so many naive flight attendants.. It's unreal to say the least.. I just have one question for you guys? Is it possible to go on to your DAL company website and pull up the seniority list to see where you stand? I am just curious, b/c I just did that on my company webwsite to see how many people i have moved up in the last month.. Also, as soon as I walk into my domicile there is a published seniority list for my domicile and company wide.. Just wondering if it is like that at DAL???

Yes there is access to seniority list on dlNet.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Yes there is access to seniority list on dlNet.

Is it back up? There was a link to the SIC's recommended merged list right after they made the announcement, but many FAs, myself included, could no longer find the link a few days after.
If you can tell me how to locate it on Deltanet, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

 

[Dignity]

I am just flabergasted that there are so many naive flight attendants.. It's unreal to say the least.. I just have one question for you guys? Is it possible to go on to your DAL company website and pull up the seniority list to see where you stand? I am just curious, b/c I just did that on my company webwsite to see how many people i have moved up in the last month.. Also, as soon as I walk into my domicile there is a published seniority list for my domicile and company wide.. Just wondering if it is like that at DAL???

I am pre-merger NW, we can access our seniority lists at all times..however...the seniority integration recommendation that combines both groups..that list I am able to access at DL being pre-merger at this time.. I have already been assigned a tentative SSN number and viewed the list...so I dont understand why this is an issue?

 

[dapoes]

Is it back up? There was a link to the SIC's recommended merged list right after they made the announcement, but many FAs, myself included, could no longer find the link a few days after.
If you can tell me how to locate it on Deltanet, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

It never went away, IFS/Seniority Integration Committee/Seniority Lists and Analysis Look under Hot Topics on main page left.