AWA MEC Chairman's Special Update

[Junebug172]

BoeingBoy = smart cookie

 

[USA320Pilot]

The bottom line is this. If the Company does not agree to the separate or joint contract and separate operation approach then there will be no integration.

According to ALPA EVP Paul Rice the pilots need to work in the "real world" to find "realistic solutions."

Furthermore, the intent of the EC Resolution and the Rice Committee is to now move the process of "finding solutions" to this issue forward. And if any party is unwilling to engage in this process, then we'll move forward in negotiations "without them."

Again, according to the BOS F/O Rep. the JNC talks will go forward, but not in the "traditional sense," and may include many different variations that we have not yet even considered.

If not then the US Airways pilots will continue to see pay increases due to upgrades, recalls, and going from reserve to blockholder while seeing improved quality of life with better relative seniority.

By the way, how successful has the AWA MEC been in getting the Nicolau Award passed to the company and what is the status and progress of JNC talks?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

By the way, how successful has the AWA MEC been in getting the Nicolau Award passed to the company and what is the status and progress of JNC talks?

The award will eventually be "officially" forwarded to the company (or should we have a little side bet on that).

Interesting that you mention the JNC talks, since the only real alternative to accepting the award has been to engage in token JNC negotiations and never ratify a joint contract while living under LOA 93. Everything else is just bluster and empty threat.

And then hope and pray, for Parker could decide to just eliminate "the troublemakers" by attrition while being in complete compliance with the transition agreement. There's nothing to prevent him from announcing West pilot bases in PHL, CLT, DCA, etc, tomorrow and shifting the East flying to West pilots as airplanes are delivered.

If he decided on that course, when would the East pilots throw in the towel? 2500 active pilots? 2000? 1500? 1000?

Jim

 

[TheLarkAscending]

BoeingBoy = smart cookie

100% & Most honorable, well-respected, well-liked and honest, too!

 

[aquagreen73s]

The award will eventually be "officially" forwarded to the company (or should we have a little side bet on that).

Interesting that you mention the JNC talks, since the only real alternative to accepting the award has been to engage in token JNC negotiations and never ratify a joint contract while living under LOA 93. Everything else is just bluster and empty threat.

And then hope and pray, for Parker could decide to just eliminate "the troublemakers" by attrition while being in complete compliance with the transition agreement. There's nothing to prevent him from announcing West pilot bases in PHL, CLT, DCA, etc, tomorrow and shifting the East flying to West pilots as airplanes are delivered.

If he decided on that course, when would the East pilots throw in the towel? 2500 active pilots? 2000? 1500? 1000?

Jim

USA320...Jim is talking to you, but we all anxiously await your response! And we expect that you indulge yourself in your patented and trademarked system of tortured logic and half truths! Nothing less!

 

[A320 Driver]

The award will eventually be "officially" forwarded to the company (or should we have a little side bet on that).

Interesting that you mention the JNC talks, since the only real alternative to accepting the award has been to engage in token JNC negotiations and never ratify a joint contract while living under LOA 93. Everything else is just bluster and empty threat.

And then hope and pray, for Parker could decide to just eliminate "the troublemakers" by attrition while being in complete compliance with the transition agreement. There's nothing to prevent him from announcing West pilot bases in PHL, CLT, DCA, etc, tomorrow and shifting the East flying to West pilots as airplanes are delivered.

If he decided on that course, when would the East pilots throw in the towel? 2500 active pilots? 2000? 1500? 1000?

Jim

There is no need for it to come to that Jim. The company could take the fight to the East bases, still not have a joint contract and provoke the East pilot group to REALLY "take the throttles by the knobs". This company can capture a reasonable number of proposed synergies with a single certificate but separate pilot contracts. That is where this is headed anyway and frankly, it is the only course of action that will ultimately satisfy the needs of both pilot groups. West has a large number of Captain upgrades they need to do as does the East and I think things are starting to stabilize a little with the operation. The company wants to grow international from both ends, so there will be new flying for both sides. Only thing troubling me in this scenerio is the number of East 737s being retired vs Airbuses brought in to replace them. Looks like your prediction of the 190 being more of a replacement aircraft is proving true. But that also means the A321s slated for delivery next year will NOT be "new equipment" and should remove them as a dispute to the transition agreement.

I think it is a safe bet the ALPA National will not be passing the Nic list to the company any time soon. That is not to say that it won't happen, but there is no rush and it may be trumped by separate agreements anyway.

Come see us!

A320 Driver B)

 

[xrated]

Your frequent mom references are redundant and uncalled for.
Immature and hostile references to ones mom is unprofessional and hostile.

Nostradamus, you have displayed maturity and professioanlism in which we should all strive to replicate. All while being un-hostile. Good work champ!!

A quote from the mature and professional nostradamus:
(facts below)

"The America West pilots have a long history of drunks, nuts taken off of planes, ufo sightings and drug running. Facts to follow shortly".

Still waiting on the facts.

 

[xrated]

And then hope and pray, for Parker could decide to just eliminate "the troublemakers" by attrition while being in complete compliance with the transition agreement. There's nothing to prevent him from announcing West pilot bases in PHL, CLT, DCA, etc, tomorrow and shifting the East flying to West pilots as airplanes are delivered.

If he decided on that course, when would the East pilots throw in the towel? 2500 active pilots? 2000? 1500? 1000?

Jim

In comes United!!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

But that also means the A321s slated for delivery next year will NOT be "new equipment" and should remove them as a dispute to the transition agreement.

Another common fallacy - "new equipment", per the transition agreement, has nothing to do with the specific number of airplanes operated by one side or the other and whether that number shrinks, grows, or remains constant.

Jim

 

[A320 Driver]

Another common fallacy - "new equipment", per the transition agreement, has nothing to do with the specific number of airplanes operated by one side or the other and whether that number shrinks, grows, or remains constant.

Jim

So West has no claim to the new aircraft then. I was thinking of the stink those 3 757s caused when we leased them. I think that went to arbitration.

A320 Driver B)

 

[hp_fa]

USA320...Jim is talking to you, but we all anxiously await your response! And we expect that you indulge yourself in your patented and trademarked system of tortured logic and half truths! Nothing less!

His traditional responses to BoeingBoy of late have been along the lines of how is retirement and you don't work here any more, please shut up.

 

[BoeingBoy]

So West has no claim to the new aircraft then.

Correct - neither side has a claim unless they're specified by tail number or delivery date on a sheet of paper attached to the transition agreement.

So Parker can do with them what he wants while the two MEC's fight it out (and now you know why the 10 A330's suddenly became "new orders").

Jim

 

[aquagreen73s]

His traditional responses to BoeingBoy of late have been along the lines of how is retirement and you don't work here any more, please shut up.

Yes, I know. For some morbidly strange reason that I cannot explain, I actually am drawn to USA320s musings. It's like watching an inanely stupid movie like Friday the 13th in the hotel room - why? I don't know, but I do it nevertheless!

 

[BottomFeeder]

Another common fallacy - "new equipment", per the transition agreement, has nothing to do with the specific number of airplanes operated by one side or the other and whether that number shrinks, grows, or remains constant.

Jim

Jim,

Does the transition agreement state the min amount of flying to be accomplished by each side?

 

[Junebug172]

USA320Pilot + C41 lapdog :down: