Question Convience Us?

[AMFAMAN]

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What is clear Mr. Owens, is that after your dismissal you have turned to typing rhetoric to your few followers. You may consider either limiting your posts to 300 lines or consider multiple posts. Is this your "outlet" Mr. Owens? Suffering from the inability to attract the slightest of notice to the opposite sex ,you have dove into the keyboard to seek the satisfaction level you have found in 33 boxes of Twinkies. However Mr. Owens, it is good to see your fingers are still getting the workout the are used to, just a different motion, huh?
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Sorry to see your attention span is only good for 50 words or less. What's the matter, you gleam twu boys can't read fast or do you go through to many bottles of booze reading Bobs posts?

 

[TeamTWU]

You really give him to much credit assuming we read his posts. His song never changes, just his alliances, beware , his loyalty lies with whoever will listen to his ramblings at the moment.

 

[1AA]

You really give him to much credit assuming we read his posts. His song never changes, just his alliances, beware , his loyalty lies with whoever will listen to his ramblings at the moment.

Again I ask you How do you know about his posts? You are a newbie here on this forum, Bob is a veteran and has always spoken good sence, Some may or may not agree with his views but at least he speaks the truth and has tried to improve the ways of my profession (obviously not yours) through the TWU with no avail. Speak your mind with the TWU and get thrown out of office. Some democracy the TWU claims to have.
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[Bob Owens]

You really give him to much credit assuming we read his posts. His song never changes, just his alliances, beware , his loyalty lies with whoever will listen to his ramblings at the moment.

That is where you are wrong. My alliances may change but my loyalties never have, they are to the people I work with.

My objectives have not been altered, have yours? The song that never changes is that we need to unite across the industry. Why do you disagree with that? Do you actually feel that we have done well over the last twenty years? Can you honestly say that our unions have been effective? If so, give us some examples.

What are your objectives?


Ahh, there now my fingers have gotten their exercise, now I can go to sleep.

 

[AMFAMAN]

You really give him to much credit assuming we read his posts. His song never changes, just his alliances, beware , his loyalty lies with whoever will listen to his ramblings at the moment.

Exactly, under your constant intoxicated state, you don't have the attention span to read the entire post. There's not much you guys can read is there? :unsure:

 

[Father Guido Sarducci]

Let us pray...

Let us pray that the GLEAM TWU boys cease their GLEAM ways... which only lead them down the road to self destruction, perdition and damnation...that they use that time instead to attend night school...so they one day may at least attain a sixth grade reading level and be able to read Bob Owens' posts...All these things we humbly ask...Amen.

 

[Hackman]

You really give him to much credit assuming we read his posts. His song never changes, just his alliances, beware , his loyalty lies with whoever will listen to his ramblings at the moment.

Team twu,

Tell you what, tell us what the twu game plan is on to get us out this monsterous hole your union has dug. Give us the full story on your plans.

Tell how the twu will change from a dictatorship to a democratic organization.

Tell how the twu loyalists like yourself are on our side and not the companies.

Tell us how flying the twu flag under the company flag is not a blatant display of company unionism.

Tell how you came up with the new slogan shirts: "Americans Real Strength".


Just a few simple questions you should have no trouble in answering.


Have at it Team twu......... :unsure: :blink: :unsure: :blink:

 

[TWU informer]

teAAm TWU cannot defend the Industrial Union Dictators in the face of Bob Owens and truthful postings.

Thus, as usual can only resort to personal attacks.

No more needs to be said, because that fact speaks for itself.

Real men debate with opinions, ideas, and facts. Children on a playground use teAAm TWU tactics.

 

[TeamTWU]

Notice if a person does not agree with the likes of Owens or amfa or both that they are quickily named drunks or worse. And I want to join this group? Why would I give you any information in here about the future of the TWU? For you to rip it apart with your twisting ways, come on now, get real. You guys speak of Mr Owens as a true martyr, possibly a spokesperson for McDonald's Fast Food but certainly not anything connecting to a union.

Flying of a flag, now there's a real gripe we all should be up in arms about. With all the real issues set aside let's make a stand about flying our union flag on company property, again proving your limited apptitudes.

You state Mr Owens speaks the truth, when? When caught and cornered? When giving his word in an oath? When and how do you tell it's the truth with him? I can also type what you want to hear, doesn't make it the truth.

 

[Buck]

The future of the TWU? If it is anything like the past, I would rather not go in that direction. Twenty years of concessions is not my idea of the future. And if not Mr. Owens who, Randy McDonald? "Dang if ya do and danged if ya don't"

Flying the TWU flag on company property? , when after twenty years of concessions why not? It is becoming hard to tell the difference between the company and the TWU.

 

[Hackman]

Notice if a person does not agree with the likes of Owens or amfa or both that they are quickily named drunks or worse. And I want to join this group? Why would I give you any information in here about the future of the TWU? For you to rip it apart with your twisting ways, come on now, get real. You guys speak of Mr Owens as a true martyr, possibly a spokesperson for McDonald's Fast Food but certainly not anything connecting to a union.

Flying of a flag, now there's a real gripe we all should be up in arms about. With all the real issues set aside let's make a stand about flying our union flag on company property, again proving your limited apptitudes.

You state Mr Owens speaks the truth, when? When caught and cornered? When giving his word in an oath? When and how do you tell it's the truth with him? I can also type what you want to hear, doesn't make it the truth.

In my twu local 567, most of the officers are drunks..... or worse. One of the many reasons we want OUT of the twu. Facts as they are, truth as it is.

How do we rip apart the truth with our twisting ways? If the twu didn't lie so much, it wouldn't be a problem now would it? Most AMFA guys I know do not blatantly lie then try to cover it up with more lies. The twu has continuously done just that for the 15 years I have been here at AA. It still continues today.

If you don't tow the party line in the twu, they take you out, like Mr. Owens.
Bob Owens is just the latest example how the king of the twu cowards, Sunny Hall, removes free thinkers that see through the twu line of BS.

If Mr. Owens is a spokesperson for McDonalds, than your twu point man, Kirk "the felon" Wells, is a spokesmodel for Bank One Ultimate Checking.

You do not think flying the twu flag under the AA flag on the same flag pole is suspect? This when your union is being accused of "company unionism"?

You people are dumber than I thought. The twu on the bottom, with the company on top, I believe its called the "missionary position". A bit more than puppy love.


Mr. Owens was removed for being a man and making statements under his own name on a BB. Why don't the twu clowns like yourself post under their name? Because someone might actually call them on their lies in person. A twu coward couldn't take that now could they Team twu?

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. :angry:

 

[Bob Owens]

Notice if a person does not agree with the likes of Owens or amfa or both that they are quickily named drunks or worse. And I want to join this group? Why would I give you any information in here about the future of the TWU? For you to rip it apart with your twisting ways, come on now, get real. You guys speak of Mr Owens as a true martyr, possibly a spokesperson for McDonald's Fast Food but certainly not anything connecting to a union.

Flying of a flag, now there's a real gripe we all should be up in arms about. With all the real issues set aside let's make a stand about flying our union flag on company property, again proving your limited apptitudes.

You state Mr Owens speaks the truth, when? When caught and cornered? When giving his word in an oath? When and how do you tell it's the truth with him? I can also type what you want to hear, doesn't make it the truth.

When union people hear of what we gave up they say that we must not have a union. No other union has ever given up as much as the TWU/ATD.

The fact is you and the TWU/ATD have no more of a plan to restore the concessions that we just lost than you did to restore what was lost in 1983. As long as you are collecting your six figure salaries and other perks and we are paying dues you could care less about any of the members.

So are you one of the typical International flunkies who could not get re-elected by the members?

 

[Checking it Out]

Here is the topic of this thread. I ask after reading the posts how many are actually addressing the Question? Do these Amfa wantabes actually know what their fighting for? It looks to me like it is the blind leading the blind.




What has amfa done in the last 90 days to bring members back to work or settle contracts?


This was the Question, Is it Pro Amfa rhetoric on this thread or Anti TWU? Looks to me you could dangle a carrot in front of these amfa wantabes and they would follow anyone!

It is a shame they are willing to destroy our livelyhoods and don't have a clue what their fighting for!!!! God Help us all if they were ever to get In!!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

Here is the topic of this thread. I ask after reading the posts how many are actually addressing the Question? Do these Amfa wantabes actually know what their fighting for? It looks to me like it is the blind leading the blind.




What has amfa done in the last 90 days to bring members back to work or settle contracts?


This was the Question, Is it Pro Amfa rhetoric on this thread or Anti TWU? Looks to me you could dangle a carrot in front of these amfa wantabes and they would follow anyone!

It is a shame they are willing to destroy our livelyhoods and don't have a clue what their fighting for!!!! God Help us all if they were ever to get In!!!!!

You of all people have some nerve complaining about others not answering your question.

Maybe we should ask the Flight Attendants at SWA what the TWU has done for them lately?


The fact is that our careers will hopefully last longer than 90days. When we are considering which union we should choose to represent us we should look at long term performance and the structure of the union to see if it shares our objectives.

The goal of AMFA is to get all mechanics into one union. AMFA believes in promoting the class and craft.

The goal of the TWU is to get as many dues payers as possible, regardless of whether or not they have the capability to focus on members needs or not. The TWU believes that one size fits all.


AMFA has never agreed to concessions. For most of its history its members have enjoyed top pay and benifits compared to the industry despite the fact that they usually represented smaller carriers. Smaller carriers historically paid lower than the major carriers.

The TWU has given concessions on EVERY contract at AA since 1983. These concessions have eroded the quality of members lives despite booms in the economy.

AMFA is a democratic union where the members can elect who they want to any position in the union. AMFA members can recall any officer.

In the TWU members can not recall any officer. Members do not get to vote on top union officials who can remove any local officer at will. In the TWU/ATD/AA all contact between the top levels of the company and the union are conducted by appointed TWU officials, some of whom were unelectable. All negotiations are conducted between appointed officials and the company. THe members have no way to remove these unaccountable officials other than removing the whole union.

AMFA seeks to promote the class and craft.

The TWU seeks to destroy the class and craft in order to assimilate mechanics with other workers. The TWU has led the movement to destroy our class and craft by transferring our work to other lower paying clasifications, and creating lower paying subclasses to our title group.

AMFA is against FAR66.

The TWU has no official position on the proposed regulation despite the fact that it could have a severe impact upon our profession.

AMFA is against Foreign Repair Stations. However AMFAs ability to fight against this was limited because up until 1999 AMFA did not have enough income since all dues were voluntary contributions from associate members. Members voluntarily contributed to AMFA.

The TWU has taken our COMPULSORY dues from us for years. FAR 145 was changed to allow more foreign repair during BUSH the 1st yet for all these years the TWU did nothing. It is only now that AMFA is sweeping through the Industry that the TWU and the AFL-CIO have decided to fight this FAR. The fact of the matter is that most of the jobs that are lost by US carriers are not going overseas, they are going to domestic facilities.

The question is do we continue to pay dues to the TWU, so they can use them for cars, pension funds for themselves and other perks, in other words anything but our issues? Or do we seek to join up with the MAJORITY of other mechanics and join AMFA? Should we seek to strengthen a democratic mechanics union, that is focused on our profession in our industry or do we stay with a corrupt catch all union that is only concerned about dues?


You see CIO, there is more to the issue than the last 90 days. Whether you like it or not this is not the Kremlin on Pine and you are not in control of the debate here. Ideas and issues can be exchanged freely here.

The fact is you dont like the answers that you are getting. For over 20 years the TWU has been destroying the reasonable expectations of every class of airline worker they represent. Working in the airline industry used to be a great job, but the TWU in their quest to get more members by giving the carriers where they represent workers the advantage of lower labor costs has destoyed the industry. From Fuelers to baggage handlers, mechanics to flight attendants the TWU has successfully lowered wages while swelling the ranks of dues payers. The ATD has grown to become the largest part of the TWU. For the TWU our loss has been their gain. At AA alone, this policy has swelled the membership from around 10,000 members to 36,000. The TWU calls this a success. They claim to have created more jobs when in fact they have helped to destroy thousands of high paying jobs and several other airlines. The TWU is to the airline Industry what Mexico is to the manufacturing Industry.

No other organization, not the ATA, not AIRCON, not Cesta, poses more of a threat to the living standards of workers in this industry than Sonny Hall and Jim Littles TWU/ATD.

 

[dirtyirish]

:blink: HELP anyone who knows me I am in need of good info on this ID BS???
how did A VP of 565 have a broken appendage and never miss work? I went to the only one with sense and Balls (Vinnie S) and he gave some good info BUT I still need more help (info)
Baker


and a (i dont want to say Happy or Holy) Christmas to all