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What has amfa done in the last 90 days to bring members back to work or settle contracts?
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CIO,
Unlike you and the worthless gang of cowards you run with, I will answer your question.
http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/06_News%26In...cupdate1203.pdf
That looks like a long list of activity fighting for members to me.
Now, what are doing? Allowing 35 Mechanics to be surplus from G.E. Engine shops while Airbus Engines are farmed out? GREAT JOB!
Oh, please, have a Christmas Holiday Buffet and makes us all feel better about the shafting we just took.
Unlike you and the worthless gang of cowards you run with, I will answer your question.
http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/06_News%26In...cupdate1203.pdf
That looks like a long list of activity fighting for members to me.
Now, what are doing? Allowing 35 Mechanics to be surplus from G.E. Engine shops while Airbus Engines are farmed out? GREAT JOB!
Oh, please, have a Christmas Holiday Buffet and makes us all feel better about the shafting we just took.
Kev3188
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Some tooling, stores/parts found their way into NWA's PDX station tonight. MX gorund equip. on it's way.Techs back to work on approx. the 22nd. PHX settlement in the works. 
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CIO,Checking it Out said:
You are rather obtuse. AMFA has done more its members in the past few years than the twu has done in the last twenty years.
They have done this without concessions. Not one.
Of course, you have noticed the PDX and now PHX arbitrations that AMFA won. The twu trumpets how small and meaningless these are. The twu has not even tried to fight our layoffs. You twu clowns act like we don't have 2000+ members on the street. One of those out is a good friend of mine. AA just tried to recall him from a mechanic to an OSM slot. He of course rejected it, what a slap in the face. He can't take the pay cut to come back to AA because he is making more money at his old job doing custom aircraft interiors.
This is because your twu is THE ONLY UNION THAT HAS 3rd PARTY MAINTENANCE IN HOUSE!!!!
There is the twu "AMERICANS' REAL STRENGTH" for you!!!!
Now, the big arbitrations have been heard at NWA, there are decisions coming on MSP. AMFA is confident they will win them, but its in the arbitrators hands.
What are you going to do if they win them CIO? Your cowardly twu will probably not even acknowledge the win. Many more of your members will then be leaving your twu for AMFA. Looking at the card count, many (52.2%) already have
Take your blind twu lies and shove them. :angry:
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Daves Link (TWU Informer?);
Note the dates and how old they are;
December Request for Recall Reminder: An employee who has a right of recall to a classification at a point must renew his Request for Recall for each position to which he desires to maintain a right of recall during the month of December. An employee shall lose his right of recall to a position if he fails to properly refile a Request for Recall renewal.
Note it is the responsibility of the member to fill out paperwork, Instead of amfa standing up and having the paperwork good for the length of recall rights.
! AMFA Paid Holiday Selections: NWA Payroll has notified AMFA that all AMFA employee’s who have not taken or do not plan to take (by year end 2003) their anniversary holiday (AHO), birthday holiday (BHO) or paid holiday off (PDO) must make their selection to receive pay or to convert to vacation hours through the NWA ACCESS system. Selections can be made or changed between 0700 CMT December 1, 2003 and midnight December 31, 2003. It is advised that you make a screen print of the selection screen for future use if needed. Please read the screen instructions carefully.
! PDX Closure Arbitration (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PDX): The Portland Arbitration decision and the remedy for the Technicians to return to PDX have now been completed and finalized. Northwest AMFA Technicians will begin to return to PDX and staff that station for the flight day starting approximately December 22nd, 2003. Copies of the ruling and the remedy letter have been sent to all of the NWA Airline Representatives.
Big win, 5 recalled out of 14 with no back pay! Just a reminder NW announced earlier this year an increase in routes overseas from PDX, so did Amfa really win anything?
! PHX Closure Grievance (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PHX): The Company met with the AMFA Local 37 Airline Representative and I to discuss settling the grievance that was filed when the Company laid off the Technicians in Phoenix. I am happy to report that a grievance settlement has been reached in principal and as soon as the documentation is complete we will share the details of this settlement with everyone.
8 months for a grievance to be heard? It will be interesting to see the outcome!
! Force Majeure II (Lay Off March 21st 2000): The hearing portion of this arbitration concluded on November 24th, 2003. The attorneys from both sides agreed to have their closing legal briefs submitted to the arbitrator by February 2nd, 2004 and reply briefs if any, must be submitted by February 12th, 2004. Once the closings are complete then it will be up to the arbitrator to decide the case. This could take anywhere from 2 to 6 months to complete.
Almost 3 years to bring this to the arbitrator? If Amfa had any guts they would have walked on this! This grievence is the one that was most likely winable. At this rate, the time limits will run out for recall rights and no one will be able to return!
! MEM Cleaner Layoff Arbitration: (May 14, 2003 NWA laid off approximately 63 Cleaners from MEM): This arbitration was heard by Arbitrator Zumas and the hearing portion was concluded on November 18th, 2003. We await the arbitrator’s decision.
Any bets! remember these are the same members which had to take Amfa to court to be eligible to participate in the last Negotiations!!
You're in trouble if this is all you have! No conviencing so far!!
Note the dates and how old they are;
December Request for Recall Reminder: An employee who has a right of recall to a classification at a point must renew his Request for Recall for each position to which he desires to maintain a right of recall during the month of December. An employee shall lose his right of recall to a position if he fails to properly refile a Request for Recall renewal.
Note it is the responsibility of the member to fill out paperwork, Instead of amfa standing up and having the paperwork good for the length of recall rights.
! AMFA Paid Holiday Selections: NWA Payroll has notified AMFA that all AMFA employee’s who have not taken or do not plan to take (by year end 2003) their anniversary holiday (AHO), birthday holiday (BHO) or paid holiday off (PDO) must make their selection to receive pay or to convert to vacation hours through the NWA ACCESS system. Selections can be made or changed between 0700 CMT December 1, 2003 and midnight December 31, 2003. It is advised that you make a screen print of the selection screen for future use if needed. Please read the screen instructions carefully.
! PDX Closure Arbitration (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PDX): The Portland Arbitration decision and the remedy for the Technicians to return to PDX have now been completed and finalized. Northwest AMFA Technicians will begin to return to PDX and staff that station for the flight day starting approximately December 22nd, 2003. Copies of the ruling and the remedy letter have been sent to all of the NWA Airline Representatives.
Big win, 5 recalled out of 14 with no back pay! Just a reminder NW announced earlier this year an increase in routes overseas from PDX, so did Amfa really win anything?
! PHX Closure Grievance (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PHX): The Company met with the AMFA Local 37 Airline Representative and I to discuss settling the grievance that was filed when the Company laid off the Technicians in Phoenix. I am happy to report that a grievance settlement has been reached in principal and as soon as the documentation is complete we will share the details of this settlement with everyone.
8 months for a grievance to be heard? It will be interesting to see the outcome!
! Force Majeure II (Lay Off March 21st 2000): The hearing portion of this arbitration concluded on November 24th, 2003. The attorneys from both sides agreed to have their closing legal briefs submitted to the arbitrator by February 2nd, 2004 and reply briefs if any, must be submitted by February 12th, 2004. Once the closings are complete then it will be up to the arbitrator to decide the case. This could take anywhere from 2 to 6 months to complete.
Almost 3 years to bring this to the arbitrator? If Amfa had any guts they would have walked on this! This grievence is the one that was most likely winable. At this rate, the time limits will run out for recall rights and no one will be able to return!
! MEM Cleaner Layoff Arbitration: (May 14, 2003 NWA laid off approximately 63 Cleaners from MEM): This arbitration was heard by Arbitrator Zumas and the hearing portion was concluded on November 18th, 2003. We await the arbitrator’s decision.
Any bets! remember these are the same members which had to take Amfa to court to be eligible to participate in the last Negotiations!!
You're in trouble if this is all you have! No conviencing so far!!
CIO,
When is the 29(d) over the "force-majuere" at AA going to be heard?
It has been over two years since AA "forced-majuered" several hundred TWU Members, yet, that case has not been presented to an arbitrator.
If you think that NWA Mechanics should walk over their arbitration taking so long to render a decision, I guess you think we should walk as well.
If we are on the subject of station staffing, how many cases has the TWU won over that issue? I know we lost BWI/CLE and withdrew another one, but, how many has the TWU won?
When is the 29(d) over the "force-majuere" at AA going to be heard?
It has been over two years since AA "forced-majuered" several hundred TWU Members, yet, that case has not been presented to an arbitrator.
If you think that NWA Mechanics should walk over their arbitration taking so long to render a decision, I guess you think we should walk as well.
If we are on the subject of station staffing, how many cases has the TWU won over that issue? I know we lost BWI/CLE and withdrew another one, but, how many has the TWU won?
Kev3188
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"Big win, 5 recalled out of 14 with no back pay! Just a reminder NW announced earlier this year an increase in routes overseas from PDX, so did Amfa really win anything?"
CIO--
All PDX techs were able to exercise their seniority across the NW system. All but 3 of those 14 techs have been working this whole time. As far as PDX-NRT goes, that is still very much in the preliminary development stage; nothing is definite. Lastly, IMO, AMFA did win something-it got a facility reopened, and some guys back home. What's the TWU doing for it's displaced workers, anyway? <_<
CIO--
All PDX techs were able to exercise their seniority across the NW system. All but 3 of those 14 techs have been working this whole time. As far as PDX-NRT goes, that is still very much in the preliminary development stage; nothing is definite. Lastly, IMO, AMFA did win something-it got a facility reopened, and some guys back home. What's the TWU doing for it's displaced workers, anyway? <_<
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Kev3188,
How many members does Amfa have currently have at NW? And what about the closing of additional buildings?
Boomer you are off subject, But please copy the 29d on another thread for us to read. Thanks. I believe the concessionary contract the majority of the members who voted choose to accept the changes rather than face massive layoffs. At AA the members will have a better oppurtunity to return than at those Unions who choose to allow the companies to farmout jobs. They will most likely never be able to return!
How many members does Amfa have currently have at NW? And what about the closing of additional buildings?
Boomer you are off subject, But please copy the 29d on another thread for us to read. Thanks. I believe the concessionary contract the majority of the members who voted choose to accept the changes rather than face massive layoffs. At AA the members will have a better oppurtunity to return than at those Unions who choose to allow the companies to farmout jobs. They will most likely never be able to return!
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CIO,
What about the 700+ currently unemployed TWU members in Tulsa?
Do you simply forget about them?
What about the 3500+ TWU without jobs this Christmas? And if we use TWU logic and count retirements, deaths, and terminations, as TWU Screwed members, then the number climbs dramatically.
How can anyone be "off topic", when the topic is "Question Convience Us"?
Seems any question is on topic, with a name like that. How come you never answer any of our questions, but we anser yours?
Simple question back to you...
HOW MANY TOTAL TWU MEMBERS ARE THERE AT AA TODAY COMPARED TO PRE 9/11? Use the same math you use at NWA against AMFA for your answer. :blink:
What about the 700+ currently unemployed TWU members in Tulsa?
Do you simply forget about them?
What about the 3500+ TWU without jobs this Christmas? And if we use TWU logic and count retirements, deaths, and terminations, as TWU Screwed members, then the number climbs dramatically.
How can anyone be "off topic", when the topic is "Question Convience Us"?
Seems any question is on topic, with a name like that. How come you never answer any of our questions, but we anser yours?
Simple question back to you...
HOW MANY TOTAL TWU MEMBERS ARE THERE AT AA TODAY COMPARED TO PRE 9/11? Use the same math you use at NWA against AMFA for your answer. :blink:
Boomer;Boomer said:
The TWU has no intentions on bringing the force majeure grievance forward. At the 2001 Convention Little replied when queried about the status of it "Sure we may win the grievance but we would bankrupt the company". He refused to elaborate on how the TWU was going to pursue it, if ever.
The fact is that the TWU is a company union, they dont like saying no to the company. They haven't yet, and likely never will. Thats why we have to get rid of them.
CIO;
Many times I've asked you the question "What is wrong with the idea of getting all the mechanics in one union? What is wrong with having all the other ground service workers doing the same?" To date you have not responded. I've posed these same questions to Sonny Hall, Jim Little and Mike Bakala and they all agreed that it is a better idea than having us all split up but Little blamed the guys at the top and Hall blamed the guys below him that were looking to move up. Even John Sweeney contacted me and thought the idea was worth pursueing. But they all lacked the courage to try it. If you like I'll FAX you the letter I got from Hall on this subject. Tell me what principle of unionism does this violate?
The fact is that we can no longer claim to operating like an Industrial union. We have seperate contracts, seperate locals and seperate negotiations. In the 2001 negotiations, each set of negotiations compared their respective workgroups with the going rate for workers in each particular classification on an industrywide basis. So our end result in wages had nothing to do with our common association within the TWU but rather what other workers in other companies doing the same job got. Logic dictates that if those other workers impact our rates of pay that we should be in the same union as them so we can compliment each other instead of competeing against each other. In other words we should be united in solidarity with those that have the greatest impact on our ability to raise standards, workers who do the same job as us. The same goes for other workgroups since our common association within the company has not proven to benifit any of us, in fact the main benificiary of this structure is the company, since this structure allows them to throw a figure on the table and let us fight amongst each other for our respective shares. As a result of our screwed up structure which can not really be called industrial unionism, or craft unionism, (the only terms that fit are business unionism or company unioism) our stores guys ended up coming away with a much smaller percentage increase than any other group. For the first time ever, stores-the original group to bring in the TWU, ended up making less than Fleet service. Mechanics ended up getting much more than any other workgroup. How does this reconcile with the concept of Industrial unionism? The fact is it does not.
One thing that has become crystal clear is that the current structure of unionism in this industry, especially for ground workers, is completely ineffective. How can anyone deny that? After two decades of concessions one would have to be a complete moron not to see this.
The leaders blame it all on the members. But guess what? Changing the membership is not an option, the leadership must be changed, and within the TWU that is not an option so in order to change the leadership we must go outside of this organization. And if we are going to do that why not address the problem of having our class and craft-the most influential factor in our negotiations, being divied up between several different unions that could care less about the profession?
The fact is that AMFA brought the wage from $25/hr to $35/hr. In that one move they did what none of the other unions that represent airline mechanics could or would do for the last twenty years-they restored our earning power.
What has the TWU ever done for the profession?
The fact is that Sonny Hall admits that we need to restrucure the unionism in the airline industry.
John Sweeney admits that we need to restructure unionism within the airline industry.
Just about everyone in this industry, even you, realize that we need to restructure unionism within thec airline industry.
The problem is that once these guys get up there making six figures they lose the sense of urgency and motivation to do what must be done. They refuse to lead. Leading is risky, so they decide to administrate and pass the blame on the unled membership.
So its up to us. We are the ones most affected by this. We must seek to unite across corporate lines. As brothers we should help other workers in this industry do the same. We need to start anew. For mechanics the choice is clear- AMFA, sure it has its faults but at the end of the day we, as a group of mechanics, have the rights to change it, a right we lack in the TWU. For ground workers they too finally have the option to try and join together with other workers doing the same job, they now have the AGW. Both of these groups can make a huge positive impact for their members. The fact that the company can no longer throw a figure between us eliminates any reason for there to be friction between us when it comes to wages and perhaps we can become closer than ever before since we are no longer forced into each others faces while the company laughs as we snap at each other.
What does the TWU have to offer us? We can see what they have done over the last twenty years. Concession, after concession after concession.
AMFA and the AGW offer what the TWU realistcally never will- HOPE based on a sound strategy. A strategy of uniting workers across the industry into Unions that have been effective for the pilots, actors, baseball players, longshoremen, plumbers, electricians, laborors, truck drivers, steamfitters and scores of other workers. Focused-industry specific, craft specific unions that have the ability and resources to meet the unique needs of workers in our industry.
Clearly its worth a try at this point.
Force Majeure II (Lay Off March 21st 2000): The hearing portion of this arbitration concluded on November 24th, 2003. The attorneys from both sides agreed to have their closing legal briefs submitted to the arbitrator by February 2nd, 2004 and reply briefs if any, must be submitted by February 12th, 2004. Once the closings are complete then it will be up to the arbitrator to decide the case. This could take anywhere from 2 to 6 months to complete.
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You are well aware that this is a typo, should have been 2002. This layoff is the Iraq war one.
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You are well aware that this is a typo, should have been 2002. This layoff is the Iraq war one.
Checking it Out Posted: Dec 11 2003, 11:14 AM
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What has amfa done in the last 90 days to bring members back to work or settle contracts?
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Daves Link (TWU Informer?);
Note the dates and how old they are;
December Request for Recall Reminder: An employee who has a right of recall to a classification at a point must renew his Request for Recall for each position to which he desires to maintain a right of recall during the month of December. An employee shall lose his right of recall to a position if he fails to properly refile a Request for Recall renewal.
Note it is the responsibility of the member to fill out paperwork, Instead of amfa standing up and having the paperwork good for the length of recall rights.
! AMFA Paid Holiday Selections: NWA Payroll has notified AMFA that all AMFA employee’s who have not taken or do not plan to take (by year end 2003) their anniversary holiday (AHO), birthday holiday (BHO) or paid holiday off (PDO) must make their selection to receive pay or to convert to vacation hours through the NWA ACCESS system. Selections can be made or changed between 0700 CMT December 1, 2003 and midnight December 31, 2003. It is advised that you make a screen print of the selection screen for future use if needed. Please read the screen instructions carefully.
! PDX Closure Arbitration (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PDX): The Portland Arbitration decision and the remedy for the Technicians to return to PDX have now been completed and finalized. Northwest AMFA Technicians will begin to return to PDX and staff that station for the flight day starting approximately December 22nd, 2003. Copies of the ruling and the remedy letter have been sent to all of the NWA Airline Representatives.
Big win, 5 recalled out of 14 with no back pay! Just a reminder NW announced earlier this year an increase in routes overseas from PDX, so did Amfa really win anything?
! PHX Closure Grievance (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PHX): The Company met with the AMFA Local 37 Airline Representative and I to discuss settling the grievance that was filed when the Company laid off the Technicians in Phoenix. I am happy to report that a grievance settlement has been reached in principal and as soon as the documentation is complete we will share the details of this settlement with everyone.
8 months for a grievance to be heard? It will be interesting to see the outcome!
! Force Majeure II (Lay Off March 21st 2000): The hearing portion of this arbitration concluded on November 24th, 2003. The attorneys from both sides agreed to have their closing legal briefs submitted to the arbitrator by February 2nd, 2004 and reply briefs if any, must be submitted by February 12th, 2004. Once the closings are complete then it will be up to the arbitrator to decide the case. This could take anywhere from 2 to 6 months to complete.
Almost 3 years to bring this to the arbitrator? If Amfa had any guts they would have walked on this! This grievence is the one that was most likely winable. At this rate, the time limits will run out for recall rights and no one will be able to return!
! MEM Cleaner Layoff Arbitration: (May 14, 2003 NWA laid off approximately 63 Cleaners from MEM): This arbitration was heard by Arbitrator Zumas and the hearing portion was concluded on November 18th, 2003. We await the arbitrator’s decision.
Any bets! remember these are the same members which had to take Amfa to court to be eligible to participate in the last Negotiations!!
You're in trouble if this is all you have! No conviencing so far!!
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Kev3188,
How many members does Amfa have currently have at NW? And what about the closing of additional buildings?
Boomer you are off subject, But please copy the 29d on another thread for us to read. Thanks. I believe the concessionary contract the majority of the members who voted choose to accept the changes rather than face massive layoffs. At AA the members will have a better oppurtunity to return than at those Unions who choose to allow the companies to farmout jobs. They will most likely never be able to return!
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Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season!!!
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CIO,
These forums have moderators, if you want the ability to rule a brother out of order, please retreat to the Kremlin on Pine or reopen "Insolidarity.com".
You introduced the topic of station staffing and force majuere with respect to evaluating the ability of a particular Union to represent the Mechanics at AA.
Since the TWU International refuses to openly debate AMFA, your questions concerning the representation by AMFA of Mechanics opens you and the TWU to the same questions.
In plain english: You introduced the subject, making comparisons valid as rebuttal or to evaluate the credibility of the questioner.
While AMFA did not convince the arbitrator to re-staff on a one-for-one basis, their willingness to even arbitrate and their ability to win is far better than the TWU mantra of "We'll Get'em Next Time." Bottom line: $h!+e happens, Next time never does.
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Checking it Out Posted: Dec 11 2003, 09:44 PM
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Daves Link (TWU Informer?);
Note the dates and how old they are;
December Request for Recall Reminder: An employee who has a right of recall to a classification at a point must renew his Request for Recall for each position to which he desires to maintain a right of recall during the month of December. An employee shall lose his right of recall to a position if he fails to properly refile a Request for Recall renewal.
Note it is the responsibility of the member to fill out paperwork, Instead of amfa standing up and having the paperwork good for the length of recall rights.
! AMFA Paid Holiday Selections: NWA Payroll has notified AMFA that all AMFA employee’s who have not taken or do not plan to take (by year end 2003) their anniversary holiday (AHO), birthday holiday (BHO) or paid holiday off (PDO) must make their selection to receive pay or to convert to vacation hours through the NWA ACCESS system. Selections can be made or changed between 0700 CMT December 1, 2003 and midnight December 31, 2003. It is advised that you make a screen print of the selection screen for future use if needed. Please read the screen instructions carefully.
! PDX Closure Arbitration (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PDX): The Portland Arbitration decision and the remedy for the Technicians to return to PDX have now been completed and finalized. Northwest AMFA Technicians will begin to return to PDX and staff that station for the flight day starting approximately December 22nd, 2003. Copies of the ruling and the remedy letter have been sent to all of the NWA Airline Representatives.
Big win, 5 recalled out of 14 with no back pay! Just a reminder NW announced earlier this year an increase in routes overseas from PDX, so did Amfa really win anything?
! PHX Closure Grievance (In March of 2003 NWA laid off all of the Technicians at PHX): The Company met with the AMFA Local 37 Airline Representative and I to discuss settling the grievance that was filed when the Company laid off the Technicians in Phoenix. I am happy to report that a grievance settlement has been reached in principal and as soon as the documentation is complete we will share the details of this settlement with everyone.
8 months for a grievance to be heard? It will be interesting to see the outcome!
! Force Majeure II (Lay Off March 21st 2000): The hearing portion of this arbitration concluded on November 24th, 2003. The attorneys from both sides agreed to have their closing legal briefs submitted to the arbitrator by February 2nd, 2004 and reply briefs if any, must be submitted by February 12th, 2004. Once the closings are complete then it will be up to the arbitrator to decide the case. This could take anywhere from 2 to 6 months to complete.
Almost 3 years to bring this to the arbitrator? If Amfa had any guts they would have walked on this! This grievence is the one that was most likely winable. At this rate, the time limits will run out for recall rights and no one will be able to return!
! MEM Cleaner Layoff Arbitration: (May 14, 2003 NWA laid off approximately 63 Cleaners from MEM): This arbitration was heard by Arbitrator Zumas and the hearing portion was concluded on November 18th, 2003. We await the arbitrator’s decision.
Any bets! remember these are the same members which had to take Amfa to court to be eligible to participate in the last Negotiations!!
You're in trouble if this is all you have! No conviencing so far!!
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Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season!!!
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Kev3188,
How many members does Amfa have currently have at NW? And what about the closing of additional buildings?
Boomer you are off subject, But please copy the 29d on another thread for us to read. Thanks. I believe the concessionary contract the majority of the members who voted choose to accept the changes rather than face massive layoffs. At AA the members will have a better oppurtunity to return than at those Unions who choose to allow the companies to farmout jobs. They will most likely never be able to return!
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Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season!!!
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CIO,
These forums have moderators, if you want the ability to rule a brother out of order, please retreat to the Kremlin on Pine or reopen "Insolidarity.com".
You introduced the topic of station staffing and force majuere with respect to evaluating the ability of a particular Union to represent the Mechanics at AA.
Since the TWU International refuses to openly debate AMFA, your questions concerning the representation by AMFA of Mechanics opens you and the TWU to the same questions.
In plain english: You introduced the subject, making comparisons valid as rebuttal or to evaluate the credibility of the questioner.
While AMFA did not convince the arbitrator to re-staff on a one-for-one basis, their willingness to even arbitrate and their ability to win is far better than the TWU mantra of "We'll Get'em Next Time." Bottom line: $h!+e happens, Next time never does.
What is clear Mr. Owens, is that after your dismissal you have turned to typing rhetoric to your few followers. You may consider either limiting your posts to 300 lines or consider multiple posts. Is this your "outlet" Mr. Owens? Suffering from the inability to attract the slightest of notice to the opposite sex ,you have dove into the keyboard to seek the satisfaction level you have found in 33 boxes of Twinkies. However Mr. Owens, it is good to see your fingers are still getting the workout the are used to, just a different motion, huh?
Mr. Owens posts have not changed before, during and after his removal as a TWU officer. His 1,513 posts are consistent. Most of his posts are explanations and clearifications from TWU cowards who can not answer or post their own truthful and factual opinions as well as posting lies and deceit. You on the other hand have only 8 posts on this forum. So with a small handfull of posts tell us how you really feel.TeamTWU said:
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Team TWU,
You slander Bob Owens but the truth is that you and Sonny Hall fear him.
The proof of that fear lies in the fact that Sonny Hall proffered charges against both Owens and Schalk and then hand-picked the jury and prosecutors while preventing himself from being called to testify.
If Sonny had the goods on either Owens or Schalk, why not be a man and press the Union Members that elected them to be the Jury of their peers; and, why would he remove himself from the obligation to testify in front of those he accused?
The TWU is a pathetic rendition of Major Kong, from the movie, "Dr. Strqangelove." The TWU is willing to ride all of us into a smoking hole rather than fight for a way to keep the event from occurring by actually allowing the Maintenance & Related to Negotiate a package that recognized all of the things we gave away in the past and continue to give away now.
You slander Bob Owens but the truth is that you and Sonny Hall fear him.
The proof of that fear lies in the fact that Sonny Hall proffered charges against both Owens and Schalk and then hand-picked the jury and prosecutors while preventing himself from being called to testify.
If Sonny had the goods on either Owens or Schalk, why not be a man and press the Union Members that elected them to be the Jury of their peers; and, why would he remove himself from the obligation to testify in front of those he accused?
The TWU is a pathetic rendition of Major Kong, from the movie, "Dr. Strqangelove." The TWU is willing to ride all of us into a smoking hole rather than fight for a way to keep the event from occurring by actually allowing the Maintenance & Related to Negotiate a package that recognized all of the things we gave away in the past and continue to give away now.
