Pilots Sue Airlines And Thier Union

A320 Driver said:
You're quick to condemn. I'll ask you again. What EXACTLY should have been done after 911 to stop the bloodletting. Since you obviously know more about pilot mentality and motive than the rest of us, tell us EXACTLY were we went wrong and how your solution would have preserved jobs and strengthened our contract.

I'm all ears.

A320 Driver
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The problem here has nothing to do with cash bleeding from the company. It has to do with a group of employees being sold down the river to save a left seat or a right seat or a furlough. That's the issue here. The cash loss is not my problem or ALPA's problem or AFA's problem. That is what we had a highly-paid Harvard MDA for. Problem is, he did little to try and fix the revenue model and even less to figure out how to compete against LCCs. All we got were excuses and another invitation to the concessions table.

Granted, I do think that Concession #1 was necessary. But to give up everything? The pilots gave WAY to much... not in terms of cash but definitely in terms of scope protections. When all was said and done, when the package was negotiated and it went out for ratification, I definitely believe it was each man for himself. The result was the caste system we now call MidAtlantic Airways.

What would I have done to strengthen your contract. Well, not bending over each and every time the company asked you to would have been a good start. Look at what the flight attendants accomplished in round #3. After suffering the typical Bronner bullshyt for months... where the demand kept going up, the flight attendants, under Teddy's brilliant lead, overwhelmingly authorized the CHAOS strike. The result was an immediate good-faith effort on the company's part to negotiate and, compared to the other labor groups, the flight attendants fared pretty well in the last round. If you stand up for yourself (and your work group) today, you probably won't have to tomorrow. That is what the Boeing/Airbus division pilots have yet to do... take a stand, be a man, and say "Enough already!"

Everybody on here chides USA320Pilot for his opinions, that everybody else needs to make the ultimate sacrifies to save his job or position. But you know what? There are a lot of Boeing/Airbus drivers who hold that very same opinion. "You will work for pennies on the dollar so I don't have to!" And then they have the unmitigated gall to espouse that they did all they could do to save jobs.

But the profound difference is we don't have jobs... we have careers! And those careers have been bastardized by senior people protecting themselves at the expense of junior people. Jerry Glass knew exactly what he was doing and that he could get what Bronner wanted by dividing labor. It is the pilots and flight attendants in the Embraer division who are the victims, both of the company and of the unions. And it is the pilots and the flight attendants who now will hold the company and the unions responsible. And they will pay.
 
Actually I thank 320 for making sure everyone knows I am one of the 270 pilots. It is a badge of honor as far as I am concerned. We are doing what a union should do, everything in our power to protect jobs. (even jobs that are not ours). I was in the training center in CLT and my class had pilots coming by all day to shake our hands and tell us to keep it up. Deadheading on AC you see crews looking at the blue slash of shame on our ID's and get the same reaction. So yes being a member of a group that stands up and demands the company honor their agreements with the union, and the union with its membership is a great source of pride for me.

Thank you 320 pilot

ALL or NONE!!!
 
fr8tmastr said:
Actually I thank 320 for making sure everyone knows I am one of the 270 pilots. It is a badge of honor as far as I am concerned. We are doing what a union should do, everything in our power to protect jobs. (even jobs that are not ours). I was in the training center in CLT and my class had pilots coming by all day to shake our hands and tell us to keep it up. Deadheading on AC you see crews looking at the blue slash of shame on our ID's and get the same reaction. So yes being a member of a group that stands up and demands the company honor their agreements with the union, and the union with its membership is a great source of pride for me.

Thank you 320 pilot

ALL or NONE!!!
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fr8,

It is a badge of honor, indeed. And it is the likes of 320 who should be embarassed that they never had enough hair on their balls to do what you guys are doing. My hat's off to you!
 
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Where do you get your information? There are no grounds to countersue the MDA pilots. You are throwing trash around and it makes you look foolish. Can you imagine how stupid ALPA would look in the eyes of the world if they tried to sue an active pilot group? The polls have shown that 75% of the ALPA pilots are dissatisfied with ALPA. What do you think would happen if ALPA tried to sue the pilot group who has a perfectly legal right to show the world that ALPA screwed up? How do you spell "Decertification"?

On another note: You speak as though you have some secret inside information about a counter suit and yet you are not an MEC member. Any information that an MEC member provided to you was certainly confidential information that the MEC member should never have disclosed. This is a breach of the ALPA By-laws and a suit can be brought against both you and the MEC member who doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. This bothers me and I just got off the phone with an MEC member. I was told the most likely suspect is Garland Jones. Is he your spy?

There is, of course, always the possibllity that you are just blowing smoke and don't know what you are talking about. I'm new to this posting stuff and somewhat new to computers but I think I flew with you many years ago on the 737.
I only have 3 years left and I really don't want to spend them reading your BS. It was bad enough listening to you rample on about nothing for so many years.

Randy

mod note: don't disclose names.
 
I envy the unity of the MDA guys. They should wear a badge and be proud. I hope to see them back at mainline very soon or at least while I am still flying. I would welcome them with open arms and not a single one would ever have to buy a drink while I am around.

We should learn from them.

RB
 
The 270 MDA pilots who are suing ALPA is a matter of public record and people on the MEC have sent the information out to active mainline pilots, identifying the 270 pilots.

Nothing has been said as a threat, but if somebody believes that there would be a harmonious relationship between a pilot suing another pilot and then the two working harmoniously together you must have your “head buried in the sand.â€￾

In regard to the pending counter lawsuit, it was discussed at this week’s ALPA special MEC meeting by the MEC officers, MEC Representatives, and ALPA Legal. Thus, do not “shoot the messengerâ€￾…after all the 270 MDA pilots who filed the lawsuit started the legal battle, which is just beginning and could get very, very expensive for those who have to pay attorney fees and potential civil penalties.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
In regard to the pending counter lawsuit, it was discussed at this week’s ALPA special MEC meeting by the MEC officers, MEC Representatives, and ALPA Legal.
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People can "talk" about a lot of things, including a "pending counter lawsuit", but there needs to be a legal cause for a counter lawsuit....
 
USA320Pilot said:
The 270 MDA pilots who are suing ALPA is a matter of public record and people on the MEC have sent the information out to active mainline pilots, identifying the 270 pilots.

Nothing has been said as a threat, but if somebody believes that there would be a harmonious relationship between a pilot suing another pilot and then the two working harmoniously together you must have your “head buried in the sand.â€￾

In regard to the pending counter lawsuit, it was discussed at this week’s ALPA special MEC meeting by the MEC officers, MEC Representatives, and ALPA Legal. Thus, do not “shoot the messengerâ€￾…after all the 270 MDA pilots who filed the lawsuit started the legal battle, which is just beginning and could get very, very expensive for those who have to pay attorney fees and potential civil penalties.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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I certainly hope this discussion did not take place in closed session.....


SH
 
USA320Pilot said:
The 270 MDA pilots who are suing ALPA is a matter of public record and people on the MEC have sent the information out to active mainline pilots, identifying the 270 pilots.

Nothing has been said as a threat, but if somebody believes that there would be a harmonious relationship between a pilot suing another pilot and then the two working harmoniously together you must have your “head buried in the sand.â€￾

In regard to the pending counter lawsuit, it was discussed at this week’s ALPA special MEC meeting by the MEC officers, MEC Representatives, and ALPA Legal. Thus, do not “shoot the messengerâ€￾…after all the 270 MDA pilots who filed the lawsuit started the legal battle, which is just beginning and could get very, very expensive for those who have to pay attorney fees and potential civil penalties.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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USA320Pilot... proof positive that US Airways needs to bring back random drug testing!

The pilots are not suing other pilots... they are suing the union, a legal entity that is not owned by any of the pilots. This will not take money out of any pilots pockets. Oh, and by the way, you are the only pilot I've ever heard of who thinks the suit is a bad thing. So I think it is you who needs to take your head out of the sand.
 
USA320Pilot said:
could get very, very expensive for those who have to pay attorney fees and potential civil penalties.
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:rolleyes:

<sigh>

Civil penalties ...

FOR WHAT?
 
"...if somebody believes that there would be a harmonious relationship between a pilot suing another pilot and then the two working harmoniously together you must have your “head buried in the sand.â€￾'

Wow. Sounds like a safety issue to me.

Threads like this make you want to leave aviation. Is the Hair Club for Men still hiring?
 
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"Citizen's arrest!"

If USA320 would be "distracted" from his duties flying an airplane with a ballsy pilot perhaps he would have to be removed for safety reasons.
 
Light Years said:
"Citizen's arrest!"

If USA320 would be "distracted" from his duties flying an airplane with a ballsy pilot perhaps he would have to be removed for safety reasons.
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Well I'm sure the smoke that comes out of his butt has set off the forward lav smoke detectors more than once.
 

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