Pilots Sue Airlines And Thier Union

[SoldWholeSale]

Are all the 320 pilots so "fogged in"? Have you followed the events, and the MEC involvment since 9/11? Are you privvy to what has happened in closed session? The MEC has directly been involved and in some cases led the way to outsourcing right under your nose..... Why don't you ask your reps what could have been done.

ALL OR NONE!

SH

 

[careerfurloughee]

I'm not going to get into a legal discussion in a public forum, which would not be smart. Let me say this. It's my understanding that the 270 MDA pilots who filed the lawsuit could have a counter suit filed against them by organizations (plural) that have very "deep pockets."

Do I like this? Regards,

USA320Pilot

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You already did genius and yes I think you do like it.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

I'm not going to get into a legal discussion in a public forum. . .

:wacko:
L-O-G-I-C, you really must take a course or pay closer attention to your own posts! You've already entered into a legal discussion on a public forum:

Do not be surprised if a counter lawsuit is filed against the 270 pilots, who could be named as defendants, with the plaintiff’s seeking millions of dollars in damages from each of the MDA pilots who created the litigation.

-and

Let me re-state this, I strongly believe there will be multiple counter lawsuits filed against the 270 MDA pilots who started the litigation. Nobody should be surprised at this action because the defendants in the MDA suit are simply protecting them self and reacting to the MDA pilot suit.

 

[USA320Pilot]

I believe what people need to recognize is that the state of the industry is nothing less than disastrous for many employees and the mainline pilot relationship with the MDA pilots is downright surreal.

ALPA negotiated to try and preserve “soft landingâ€￾ jobs in the face of overwhelming marketplace pressure that makes that job preservation almost impossible, with four of six so called legacy carrier’s in or have been in bankruptcy. I say almost because, as harsh are the choice happens to be, the MDA pilots do have a choice. Since the choices are rather onerous, the fallback position seems to be to sue ALPA, US Airways, Republic, and Wexford Capital.

What's interesting is...what makes anyone think, given the losses all of the pilots have sustained, that ALPA has the ability to protect the MDA pilots more than it has? I guess our litigious, always-blame-someone else society, makes it easy to find a target, in this case ALPA, to hold responsible for personal bad fortune.

What many people simply will not accept is the fact the marketplace is beyond the control of any union and is the driving force that's brought the MDA situation to this point.

There is no question the MDA pilots have been dealt a very bad hand, however, they have no business holding ALPA responsible for what's happened to them.

ALPA created a program to give the furloughed pilots a job, which was their choice to accept or reject, ALPA has provided the furloughed pilots and their family medical insurance, has been discussing a stock allocation for the MDA pilots, and created a program where furloughed pilots could obtain turbojet pilot-in-command (PIC) time so these pilots could get hired at JetBlue or Southwest, since many do not qualify for a JetBlue interview because of their lack of PIC.

Meanwhile, I understand that even though the MDA pilots created a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC), the MDA pilots can be individually counter sued and could be personally subject to millions of dollars in damages and tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. The MDA pilots have decided to take on a $10 billion per year corporation, two financially strong companies, and a very strong union, all of which has their own legal counsel. All of these entities have very deep pockets, but it is doubtful the MDA pilots do, especially when legal fees spiral out of control after the three companies and ALPA contemplate their reaction to the MDA lawsuit.

While it's doubtful the MDA pilots will obtain relief, this lawsuit will probably wind up hurting everyone (especially the MDA pilots) and accomplish nothing positive, especially if the MDA pilots ever try to return to the mainline and work at US Airways after a recall. I would not want to be a co-pilot who sued the captain, which would not be a good experience for the newly recalled pilot.

Now that the 270 MDA pilots who have sued ALPA had their name's made public by the union, I would not want to be one of these people.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[USA320Pilot]

Lark:

Let me clarify my point...I do not want to enter into a legal discussion, which could effect a case, in a public forum. There is a lot going on now by the "so called" defendants, who may become the plantiffs in a separate lawsuit.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ItsNotThatSerious]

I believe what people need to recognize is that the state of the industry is nothing less than disastrous for many employees and the mainline pilot relationship with the MDA pilots is downright surreal.

ALPA negotiated to try and preserve “soft landingâ€￾ jobs in the face of overwhelming marketplace pressure that makes that job preservation almost impossible, with four of six so called legacy carrier’s in or have been in bankruptcy. I say almost because, as harsh are the choice happens to be, the MDA pilots do have a choice. Since the choices are rather onerous, the fallback position seems to be to sue ALPA, US Airways, Republic, and Wexford Capital.

What's interesting is...what makes anyone think, given the losses all of the pilots have sustained, that ALPA has the ability to protect the MDA pilots more than it has? I guess our litigious, always-blame-someone else society, makes it easy to find a target, in this case ALPA, to hold responsible for personal bad fortune.

What many people simply will not accept is the fact the marketplace is beyond the control of any union and is the driving force that's brought the MDA situation to this point.

There is no question the MDA pilots have been dealt a very bad hand, however, they have no business holding ALPA responsible for what's happened to them.

ALPA created a program to give the furloughed pilots a job, which was their choice to accept or reject, ALPA has provided the furloughed pilots and their family medical insurance, has been discussing a stock allocation for the MDA pilots, and created a program where furloughed pilots could obtain turbojet pilot-in-command (PIC) time so these pilots could get hired at JetBlue or Southwest, since many do not qualify for a JetBlue interview because of their lack of PIC.

Meanwhile, I understand that even though the MDA pilots created a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC), the MDA pilots can be individually counter sued and could be personally subject to millions of dollars in damages and tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. The MDA pilots have decided to take on a $10 billion per year corporation, two financial strong companies, and a very strong union, all of which has their own legal counsel.     

While it's doubtful the MDA pilots will obtain relief, this lawsuit will probably wind up hurting everyone (especially the MDA pilots)  and accomplish nothing positive, especially if the MDA pilots ever try to return to the mainline and work at US Airways after a recall. I would not want to be a co-pilot who sued the captain, which would not be a good experience.

Now that the 270 MDA pilots who have sued ALPA had their name's made public by the union, I would not want to be one of these people.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

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I bet you are so close to being on of "those pilots" , the ones at MDA. You seem to think that these MDA pilots should be grateful that you, the other pilots and ALPA "helped" them. Do you know most of the MDA Captains had 15 years senority before they got the boot. Im guessing thats just a few months less than you. It is easy for you to take this "High Road" Attitude when you haven't been throught it. I really hope you let this go, it's making you sound like a S*%# Head.

 

[Furloughedagain]

Just curious,

Why do the mainline pilots (and especially A320) care if the MidAtlantic pilots chose to sue the company and the union?

I don't see how it impacts them one way or the other.

 

[SoldWholeSale]

MDA is nothing more than "B" scale, which would be something completely if ALPA was not complicit in hiring pilots into a "B" scale as new hires with the same company which furloughed the.

MDA is a side letter for a fleet type, exactly the same as US2 was for MetroJet.... Noone gave up longevity to fly at MetroJet, thus ALPA was not sued. However the MDA deal is completely different.

You sir, have the facts and are doing you best to CYA.... You have lost credibility here, and you along with the GAG have such diminished credibility among the AAA pilots that you will likely be left standing. If it will help you sleep better knowing, there are no AAA members named specifically in the suit. You and the seat you sold my soul and that of 1800 others to keep are safe.

ALL OR NONE!

SH

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Let me clarify my point...I do not want to enter into a legal discussion, which could effect a case, in a public forum. There is a lot going on now by the "so called" defendants, who may become the plantiffs in a separate lawsuit.

Perhaps you are blind to your own posts? You've already entered into the legal discussion on a public forum. You have chosen to address and submit an opinion on this issue in your posts! You are currently foreshadowing an outcome or steps leading to an alleged outcome by warning of a, or a series of, counter-lawsuits! Are you in disconnect mode here? That said, do I think you, alone, have the superpower to to effect this case by your comments? Nope!

 

[SoftLanding]

"...Now that the 270 MDA pilots who have sued ALPA had their name's made public by the union, I would not want to be one of these people.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

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So that is what it's getting down to, threats...

The 270 MDA pilots should be looked up to. Standing up for justice, their (our) union surely is not.

So now the 270 pilots should worry about, what? Their lives? It's their own money they are spending on lawyers, so let them.


SoftLanding

Good luck, MDA pilots!!!

 

[USA320Pilot]

SoftLanding:

It's not a threat, but how do think people will react to being sued? Do you believe they're going to like it? The 270 MDA pilots have opened up a can of worms that will effect them for the rest of their life at US Airways.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Smartest Loser]

At what point in time do you say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH..!!

This plague that is sweeping across corporate America called “ Break the Unions in Courtâ€, is contrary to what every labor movement is about. We dishonor everyone who fought and won things in our contracts that we could have only dreamed about when we tuck tail and run so easily.

Even management enjoys benefits which were won by union’s…!!! I see the United States Labor Movement as a pendulum in a clock…It swings back and fourth…The times coming when the pendulum is back in labor’s side....Then company’s better watch out, it should be TAKE NO PRISONERS time.

SL

 

[fr8tmastr]

SoftLanding:

It's not a threat, but how do think people will react to being sued? Do you believe they're going to like it? The 270 MDA pilots have opened up a can of worms that will effect them for the rest of their life at US Airways.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

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Oh No, not a black list!

If this will effect the rest of my life at Airways, maybe we should sue for more?

ALL OR NONE!!!

 

[TBONEJ4J]

Say it ain't so!!!

Not the dreaded "Blacklist"!!!

Just remember what happened to the CAL Scabs. Yeah that's right, ALPA welcomed them back in with open arms just a few years ago. :angry:

The MDA Pilots have drawn a line in the sand and all that ALPA can do is make threats by proxy. Some Union. :down:

ALL or NONE.

 

[SoldWholeSale]

I hope 320 is correct and we are proven separate..... If that happens, I say we file for a "single carrier" ruling and seniority re-integration. I'd enjoy having 320 pull my gear.


ALL OR NONE!

SH