Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Your Vegas base and flying were the reason for furlough. Also if you had a clue you would know that the airline business is cyclical. . Unfortunately you on the west are trying to use 9-11 and our furloughs as your reason for staple.

From the AWA 2004 10-K:
 
"During 2004, extremely high jet fuel prices and excess capacity throughout the domestic air system began to negatively impact the low cost segment of the airline industry. As a result, several low cost carriers that had previously operated profitably, including AWA, experienced declining earnings. AWA reported a net loss of $85.3 million for 2004."

 

[snapthis]

Your Vegas base and flying were the reason for furlough. Also if you had a clue you would know that the airline business is cyclical. . Unfortunately you on the west are trying to use 9-11 and our furloughs as your reason for staple.

 
The aircraft I flew out of Vegas were full prior to the acquisition of US Airways. My airline was hiring and 33% of your airway pilots were furloughed.
 
Did you catch the memo?
 
You may recall that we deferred announcing the future leader of our important Flight department. Today I am pleased to announce Captain John Hale as vice president, Flight at the new American. With nearly three decades of service at American, including his current role as vice president, Flight, I am confident Captain Hale’s extensive aviation experience and passion for serving his team will help us safely and successfully navigate our airline’s new opportunities. In the time I’ve known John, I’ve come away with a strong belief that he possesses the skills we need to blend our two Flight groups into what is truly one team.  Please join me in congratulating Captain Hale!
 
 
 
More changes to come. Perhaps Miami can do a Vegas on CLT, DCA or PHL?
 
Maybe then you'd get a clue.

 

[snapthis]

From the AWA 2004 10-K:
 
"During 2004, extremely high jet fuel prices and excess capacity throughout the domestic air system began to negatively impact the low cost segment of the airline industry. As a result, several low cost carriers that had previously operated profitably, including AWA, experienced declining earnings. AWA reported a net loss of $85.3 million for 2004."

 
Uh, didn't your side make those arguments to the arbitrator? He listened to all the arguments and determined which company was in better shape and the fact that furloughed pilots will not displace actively flying pilots.
 
Dean goes below Dave.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Uh, didn't your side make those arguments to the arbitrator? He listened to all the arguments and determined which company was in better shape and the fact that furloughed pilots will not displace actively flying pilots.
 
Dean goes below Dave.

Not so far, but that's not the point. The point is your absurd assumption that AWA was in any position to take advantage of a US liquidation. It wasn't and the leader of the largest airline in the world has told you that, over and over again. He didn't get where he is today on America West, I assure you.

 

[Pi brat]

 
The aircraft I flew out of Vegas were full prior to the acquisition of US Airways. My airline was hiring and 33% of your airway pilots were furloughed.
 
Did you catch the memo?
 

During the second US Chp 11 I was flying full airplanes. Would you like to buy a clue?

 

[snapthis]

Just a question. How does an LLC with absolutely no class or status as a recognized labor representative present anything? How does Leonidas present a seniority list without a court order stating that it has a seniority list of any legal import? Leonidas has the same standing of any other group of USAirways pilots presenting any list to the company, and that is none.
The only labor entity representing the Pilots at USAirways is the one that was elected in a NMB sanctioned and certified election. It is called USAPA.The labor union and the company follow RLA protocol as to the exchanging of seniority lists. The parties to the MOU will exchange and accept lists. Those three specifically named parties are the APA, USAPA, and the company.
Leonidas will present nothing. What will be presented is

 
You still don't get it. I'll choose who represents me along with the pilots who like myself have donated to preserve our careers. There is no way that I am going to allow yousapa to speak for me. The people who speak for me will take their seat.
 
Your reps can sulk in  the corner and suck your thumbs for all I care.
 
To hell with USAPA. There is another union on this property that I'd be happy to pay my dues.
 
Get lost.

 

[Phoenix]

 
You still don't get it. I'll choose who represents me along with the pilots who like myself have donated to preserve our careers. There is no way that I am going to allow yousapa to speak for me. The people who speak for me will take their seat.
 
Your reps can sulk in  the corner and suck your thumbs for all I care.
 
To hell with USAPA. There is another union on this property that I'd be happy to pay my dues.
 
Get lost.

 
 
I have a really cool website you may want to visit.   This is not a solicitation.
 
www.getyourPixiedustcheapformakingyourdreamscometrue.com    

 

[snapthis]

December 22, 2013

West Merger Committee Update


The following update has been published on behalf of the West Merger Committee:



Dear Former AWA Pilots,

Recently the nine Addington plaintiffs, in their role as Class Representatives, appointed the five of us to an autonomous “West Merger Committee” to represent the interests of the West class members in the upcoming Seniority Integration Process. After being appointed, we immediately began working together to determine what we should be prepared for in the coming weeks.

As many of you are aware, the MOU dictates a very specific time frame for how the Seniority Integration Process must proceed. The first step of the process is that the parties have 30 days after the close of the merger to agree on a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement (“Protocol Agreement”). The day after the merged closed, December 10, 2013, management of New American sent an invitation to the West Class counsel, Marty Harper, along with counsel for APA and USAPA, inviting each of their clients’ respective merger committees to attend an initial “protocol agreement” meeting in Washington, DC on December 20th. This action is consistent with the legal position taken by the Company in their court filings, where they have repeatedly stated that the West Pilots are entitled to separate representation of our own choosing in the seniority integration process with the American Airlines pilots.

In preparation for this meeting, your West Merger Committee and counsel engaged in multiple conference calls and collaborated to draft an initial proposal for a protocol agreement. Our meetings included a face to face prep session on December 18th after which we all traveled to Washington for the meeting with the Company and APA. Prior to the meeting, USAPA indicated to the Company and APA that it would not attend if the West Pilots were in attendance. The other three parties met as planned on the morning of the 20th, at the DC offices of O'Melveny and Myers. Present on behalf of the company were Paul Jones (Vice-President Legal Affairs), Beth Holdren (Managing Director Labor Relations) and O'Melveny attorneys Robert Siegel and Chris Hollinger. In attendance on behalf of APA were its General Counsel, Ed James and Seniority Integration Committee Chairman Marc Stephens. All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU), but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.

There are no further meetings scheduled at this time with respect to the Protocol Agreement, but we anticipate we will continue to work with APA on this agreement.

Lastly, we appreciate the trust and support the Class Representatives (that is, the Addington Plaintiffs) and all West pilots have placed in our committee. While we are still in the early days of working together as a committee and have much work yet to do, we are pleased with the immediate atmosphere of cooperation and trust enjoyed by our team.

Sincerely,

Doug, Dave, Russ, Johan and Eric
West Merger Committee

 

[Pi brat]

December 22, 2013

West Merger Committee Update


The following update has been published on behalf of the West Merger Committee:



Dear Former AWA Pilots,

Recently the nine Addington plaintiffs, in their role as Class Representatives, appointed the five of us to an autonomous “West Merger Committee” to represent the interests of the West class members in the upcoming Seniority Integration Process. After being appointed, we immediately began working together to determine what we should be prepared for in the coming weeks.

As many of you are aware, the MOU dictates a very specific time frame for how the Seniority Integration Process must proceed. The first step of the process is that the parties have 30 days after the close of the merger to agree on a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement (“Protocol Agreement”). The day after the merged closed, December 10, 2013, management of New American sent an invitation to the West Class counsel, Marty Harper, along with counsel for APA and USAPA, inviting each of their clients’ respective merger committees to attend an initial “protocol agreement” meeting in Washington, DC on December 20th. This action is consistent with the legal position taken by the Company in their court filings, where they have repeatedly stated that the West Pilots are entitled to separate representation of our own choosing in the seniority integration process with the American Airlines pilots.

In preparation for this meeting, your West Merger Committee and counsel engaged in multiple conference calls and collaborated to draft an initial proposal for a protocol agreement. Our meetings included a face to face prep session on December 18th after which we all traveled to Washington for the meeting with the Company and APA. Prior to the meeting, USAPA indicated to the Company and APA that it would not attend if the West Pilots were in attendance. The other three parties met as planned on the morning of the 20th, at the DC offices of O'Melveny and Myers. Present on behalf of the company were Paul Jones (Vice-President Legal Affairs), Beth Holdren (Managing Director Labor Relations) and O'Melveny attorneys Robert Siegel and Chris Hollinger. In attendance on behalf of APA were its General Counsel, Ed James and Seniority Integration Committee Chairman Marc Stephens. All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU), but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.

There are no further meetings scheduled at this time with respect to the Protocol Agreement, but we anticipate we will continue to work with APA on this agreement.

Lastly, we appreciate the trust and support the Class Representatives (that is, the Addington Plaintiffs) and all West pilots have placed in our committee. While we are still in the early days of working together as a committee and have much work yet to do, we are pleased with the immediate atmosphere of cooperation and trust enjoyed by our team.

Sincerely,

Doug, Dave, Russ, Johan and Eric
West Merger Committee

Sounds really productive. Send more cash.

 

[Phoenix]

December 22, 2013

West Merger Committee Update


The following update has been published on behalf of the West Merger Committee:



Dear Former AWA Pilots,

Recently the nine Addington plaintiffs, in their role as Class Representatives, appointed the five of us to an autonomous “West Merger Committee” to represent the interests of the West class members in the upcoming Seniority Integration Process. After being appointed, we immediately began working together to determine what we should be prepared for in the coming weeks.

As many of you are aware, the MOU dictates a very specific time frame for how the Seniority Integration Process must proceed. The first step of the process is that the parties have 30 days after the close of the merger to agree on a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement (“Protocol Agreement”). The day after the merged closed, December 10, 2013, management of New American sent an invitation to the West Class counsel, Marty Harper, along with counsel for APA and USAPA, inviting each of their clients’ respective merger committees to attend an initial “protocol agreement” meeting in Washington, DC on December 20th. This action is consistent with the legal position taken by the Company in their court filings, where they have repeatedly stated that the West Pilots are entitled to separate representation of our own choosing in the seniority integration process with the American Airlines pilots.

In preparation for this meeting, your West Merger Committee and counsel engaged in multiple conference calls and collaborated to draft an initial proposal for a protocol agreement. Our meetings included a face to face prep session on December 18th after which we all traveled to Washington for the meeting with the Company and APA. Prior to the meeting, USAPA indicated to the Company and APA that it would not attend if the West Pilots were in attendance. The other three parties met as planned on the morning of the 20th, at the DC offices of O'Melveny and Myers. Present on behalf of the company were Paul Jones (Vice-President Legal Affairs), Beth Holdren (Managing Director Labor Relations) and O'Melveny attorneys Robert Siegel and Chris Hollinger. In attendance on behalf of APA were its General Counsel, Ed James and Seniority Integration Committee Chairman Marc Stephens. All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU), but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.

There are no further meetings scheduled at this time with respect to the Protocol Agreement, but we anticipate we will continue to work with APA on this agreement.

Lastly, we appreciate the trust and support the Class Representatives (that is, the Addington Plaintiffs) and all West pilots have placed in our committee. While we are still in the early days of working together as a committee and have much work yet to do, we are pleased with the immediate atmosphere of cooperation and trust enjoyed by our team.

Sincerely,

Doug, Dave, Russ, Johan and Eric
West Merger Committee

 
Hallelujah!  The committee of implicit assumption is still making implicit assumptions.  Idiots all.  
 
Some of you smarter guys could point me to the paragraph wherein the "West Merger Committee" members are parties to the MOU and wherein they agreed to the terms enumerating the rights and responsibilities of the named parties to the MOU....
 
Frauds, impostors, play actors.  
 
Send more donations. 😀
 
Marty is going to own a time share on every island in the Mediterranean before this is over!!
 
P.S.  An LLC is a for profit organization.  And AOL will be subject to discovery.  Who is Eric??

 

[Pi brat]

 
You still don't get it. I'll choose who represents me along with the pilots who like myself have donated to preserve our careers. There is no way that I am going to allow yousapa to speak for me. The people who speak for me will take their seat.
 
Your reps can sulk in  the corner and suck your thumbs for all I care.
 
To hell with USAPA. There is another union on this property that I'd be happy to pay my dues.
 
Get lost.

You know that you don't have to pay your dues to USAPA, right? And if you get a letter telling you that they will fire you, just ignore it.

 

[Black Swan]

December 22, 2013
West Merger Committee Update
The following update has been published on behalf of the West Merger Committee:
Dear Former AWA Pilots,
Recently the nine Addington plaintiffs, in their role as Class Representatives, appointed the five of us to an autonomous “West Merger Committee” to represent the interests of the West class members in the upcoming Seniority Integration Process. After being appointed, we immediately began working together to determine what we should be prepared for in the coming weeks.
As many of you are aware, the MOU dictates a very specific time frame for how the Seniority Integration Process must proceed. The first step of the process is that the parties have 30 days after the close of the merger to agree on a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement (“Protocol Agreement”). The day after the merged closed, December 10, 2013, management of New American sent an invitation to the West Class counsel, Marty Harper, along with counsel for APA and USAPA, inviting each of their clients’ respective merger committees to attend an initial “protocol agreement” meeting in Washington, DC on December 20th. This action is consistent with the legal position taken by the Company in their court filings, where they have repeatedly stated that the West Pilots are entitled to separate representation of our own choosing in the seniority integration process with the American Airlines pilots.
In preparation for this meeting, your West Merger Committee and counsel engaged in multiple conference calls and collaborated to draft an initial proposal for a protocol agreement. Our meetings included a face to face prep session on December 18th after which we all traveled to Washington for the meeting with the Company and APA. Prior to the meeting, USAPA indicated to the Company and APA that it would not attend if the West Pilots were in attendance. The other three parties met as planned on the morning of the 20th, at the DC offices of O'Melveny and Myers. Present on behalf of the company were Paul Jones (Vice-President Legal Affairs), Beth Holdren (Managing Director Labor Relations) and O'Melveny attorneys Robert Siegel and Chris Hollinger. In attendance on behalf of APA were its General Counsel, Ed James and Seniority Integration Committee Chairman Marc Stephens. All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU), but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.
There are no further meetings scheduled at this time with respect to the Protocol Agreement, but we anticipate we will continue to work with APA on this agreement.
Lastly, we appreciate the trust and support the Class Representatives (that is, the Addington Plaintiffs) and all West pilots have placed in our committee. While we are still in the early days of working together as a committee and have much work yet to do, we are pleased with the immediate atmosphere of cooperation and trust enjoyed by our team.
Sincerely,
Doug, Dave, Russ, Johan and Eric
West Merger Committee

You can meet all you want. As much as the plants in the corner of the room. You have no standing whatsoever as a representative body. Parker is merely trying to cause more trouble. Hopefully the NMB will intervene very shortly and make it perfectly clear that when you attempt to negotiate with the company, you get a court order to stop. Along with Parker.

 

[EastUS1]

There are no further meetings scheduled at this time with respect to the Protocol Agreement, .........

 
That's about the only meaningful sentence contained within that pathetic puddle of pure BS, and clearly demonstrates that, regardless of what "you'se" put out to west sheep for soliciting donations, that AOL has absolutely ZERO actual power in any of this. Black Swan sums this situation up nicely: "You have no standing whatsoever as a representative body. Parker is merely trying to cause more trouble."
 
Click to donate....Suckers. http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Contributions/Leonidas_Contributions_OCT13.html

 

[snapthis]

You can meet all you want. As much as the plants in the corner of the room. You have no standing whatsoever as a representative body. Parker is merely trying to cause more trouble. Hopefully the NMB will intervene very shortly and make it perfectly clear that when you attempt to negotiate with the company, you get a court order to stop. Along with Parker.

Yawn.......

 

[Phoenix]

 
That's about the only meaningful sentence contained within that pathetic puddle of pure BS, and clearly demonstrates that, regardless of what "you'se" put out to west sheep for soliciting donations, that AOL has absolutely ZERO real power in any of this. Black Swan sums this situation up nicely: "You have no standing whatsoever as a representative body. Parker is merely trying to cause more trouble."
 
Click to donate....Suckers. http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Contributions/Leonidas_Contributions_OCT13.html

 
 
Donations must be slowing down.  The "Contributors List" (shake down list) has been pulled down and they have promised a new publication of the list "soon" for many months now.
 
http://www.thepushforjustice.com/contributors.html