Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[necigrad]

Believe me, I agree that things need to happen sooner rather then later.  It just seems to m that the company is so interested in a joint contract that they'll slow Section 6 down tying to get us to submit.  I'm just thinking (OK pondering aloud) that there may be some advantage to giving it to them.  Honestly I don't know that it would work; I'm just floating the idea.  "We'll give you a JCBA but we will not leave Section 6 until we've resolved everything, the starting point will be these terms, and it will be done in X months."  That's kind of what I'm thinking.  We know the company won't give us a CBA without being forced and the NMB takes FAR too long.  I'm just thinking that a JCBA could be a carrot for them to take in exchange for what we want.

 

[700UW]

Sooner or later the NMB has to release M&R and/or Fleet, if the company still stalls its negotiating in bad faith.
 
Your scenario wont happen, the company is not interested in making any significant improvement in either CBA.

 

[robbedagain]

700  with the settlement  does it change things     i dont think it does in my opin bec we are still sec 6 nothing but that  am i right in that

 

[700UW]

Yes you are right, the IAM would have to agree to abandon Section 6 Negotiations to go into JCBA, but that wont happen.
 
The latest:

 

“US Airways’ celebration is premature,” said IAM District 141 President Rich Delaney on the announcement of a deal between US Airways, American Airlines and the Department of Justice that removed government opposition to the proposed merger. “Until the carrier negotiates new contracts for its own IAM-represented employees, the new American Airlines will not get off the ground.”

The IAM and the Transport Workers Union (TWU), which represents American Airlines’ ground employees, earlier this year formed an alliance to jointly represent the combined airline’s 30,000 workers in the Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stock Clerk classifications. Terms of the alliance agreement state both unions must agree when to request the National Mediation Board (NMB) determine the two carriers are operating as a single transportation system for employee representation purposes.

Only a union, and not an airline, can make such a request. Until the NMB issues its single carrier rulings, employees cannot be integrated and work will remain divided.

“Under our current contract, American Airlines employees cannot maintain US Airways' planes and we can’t touch American’s aircraft,” said IAM District 142 President Tom Higginbotham.

“Similarly, US Airways employees can’t load American's aircraft where TWU members are present and vice-versa," added Delaney. "The synergies and seamless operation the airlines promised shareholders and passengers will not exist until our members get new contracts. US Airways has chosen to start this merger off with major labor unrest."

After nearly three years of fruitless bargaining, the IAM has requested the NMB release it and US Airways from further mediated negotiations and declare the parties are at an impasse. This would trigger a 30-day cooling off period after which IAM members could be free to strike the airline.

“US Airways has been too focused on its merger plans and getting agreements with American’s unions to care about its own workforce,” said Higginbotham.

“US Airways' claims of labor peace are just another in a string of lies that airlines tell the public and the government in order to get mergers approved,” added Delaney.

Details of the agreement will be forthcoming.​

 

 

[rockit2]

Yes you are right, the IAM would have to agree to abandon Section 6 Negotiations to go into JCBA, but that wont happen.
 
The latest:

Well ...........That's mighty big talk from the distict and International. Will they step up and flex their muscle? I guess we will see next week , huh.

 

[cltrat]

well CB tell me if I'm wrong but you guys shouldn't hear any BS about being the #5 carrier anymore.
In my view the price of poker has gone up!

 

[mike33]

well CB tell me if I'm wrong but you guys shouldn't hear any BS about being the #5 carrier anymore.
In my view the price of poker has gone up!

And it just goes to prove that DL is just a little bit smarter than US. Give up all those DCA slots and LGA slots that they obtained from and gave to DL. DL has their hands in the DOJ's back pocket. Or maybe its the front.

 

[robbedagain]

sorry but dl should not be allowed to bid for any of those slots they gave up   my own opin   

 

[mike33]

sorry but dl should not be allowed to bid for any of those slots they gave up   my own opin   

Don't you think that they will get a few back....??   US will be at the back of the line like waivers!... DL is ahead of them on the Waiver wire

 

[charlie Brown]

well CB tell me if I'm wrong but you guys shouldn't hear any BS about being the #5 carrier anymore.In my view the price of poker has gone up!

I wouldn't say you are wrong. It will be a interesting week in phx next week. We will see what they say.

 

[700UW]

DL and UA are not getting any slots per the DOJ conference call.

 

[freedom]

it won't be often that I comment anymore ............ and today I've had a bit much to drink (woot ! woot !)

but I will say this ...... now that the road before us lays clear .......

I will fight with every ounce of strength I have to preserve jobs , be they American or US Airways jobs ..

I will not vote for ANY contract that includes outsourcing language , I don't care HOW much you offer me ..

I won't see another American CITIZEN go to the street ........

I know that before in the past I voted for a contract that outsourced numerous stations , and I feel badly about that ... but before I didn't feel we had much choice ( with the economy and my feelings of it )

but now I would rather we go down the drain as an entire company than give up a single more job to service companies ..........

is it hypocritical to say what I'm saying ? maybe .......but I will not back down .........

I BELEIVE that the future of AMERICAN AIRLINES Is nationalization ... and as a consequence, I will NOT support the betrayal of AMERICAN jobs ...

I state boldly and publicly that while you may have been given a three year window by the DOJ , after that time passes I will NOT allow you to throw our people be they AMERICAN or US AIWAYS into the gutter ...

I will fight with every ounce of conviction that I can muster to preserve our jobs , ALL our jobs ....

at this time the unions of this company are thinking many different things ... but in my mind , preserving EVERY job that fleet service does is priority to me ..

with every fleet service job outsourced we grow weaker .. today I dig my heels in .......

I know that to many of you, my views on the last contract will label me forever a scab ...but where I was weak before , I stand resolute today ..........

I CAN convince people , our PEOPLE to stand firm ... and I WILL do so with glee to prevent the outsourcing of ANY American job .........

you are NOW AMERICAN ...... we are now the flagship carrier of this country, I DEMAND that you behave in the manner of the respect you have been accorded ..

 

[cltrat]

CB I think I think have asked you this in person but I will here now.

One thing I do like in the UA agreement are on the payrates things like shift differential pay.
What are your thoughts on these and is it realistic to look for them in our agreement moving forward?

 

[charlie Brown]

CB I think I think have asked you this in person but I will here now.One thing I do like in the UA agreement are on the payrates things like shift differential pay.What are your thoughts on these and is it realistic to look for them in our agreement moving forward?

I think since we will be the number one carrier we should expect to exceed the UA contract. With our current contract all I can say at this time, is that it has been discussed.

 

[cltrat]

thks CB As stated I like that, if you're stuck at night you get more, if you're days and want more money nights are an option.