Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[Jester]

Jester,
 
So you are worried of what management might do to you? When I first started to organize to get a Union in at AWA I was scared because I didn't know if the Company would fire me and whether the Union could get my job back. However, I realized that something needed to be done to make things better so I moved forward by continuing to organize. I was threatened with termination at one point but continued my pursuit of what was right.
 
If you or other people don't present issues to me or other Union leaders how are issues to be resolved? I messaged you a couple of days ago and left my number for you to call me. I am willing to discuss any issues at any time with you or anyone else. After I address these issues with management I will get back to you and discuss the outcome.  
 
P. Rez

Again with all due respect and I like you as a person, as you and I have spoken face-to-face on various safety concerns, and as far as I know, I do not know of any changes on ramp operations in the past year related to safety. If you have any demonstrated examples countering my views, I am more than willing to read about them in this forum.

What I am finding somewhat disturbing in this thread, and not necessarily my comment is directed at you, but I keep reading that I should risk my job with the expectation that my union will guarantee that I will not be terminated for rejecting Management instructions? First of all, no one the IAM can make that guarantee; second, no one should be a "trip wire" especially without a well-orchestrated plan already in place, and finally, no one should be put into that position if union/management discussions could correct the issue without risking people's jobs!

 

[cltrat]

while there are certainly people in CLT that bend safety to get in the breakroom. There is no one works unsafe on management orders or fear the union won;t back them.

 

[P. REZ]

Again with all due respect and I like you as a person, as you and I have spoken face-to-face on various safety concerns, and as far as I know, I do not know of any changes on ramp operations in the past year related to safety. If you have any demonstrated examples countering my views, I am more than willing to read about them in this forum.

What I am finding somewhat disturbing in this thread, and not necessarily my comment is directed at you, but I keep reading that I should risk my job with the expectation that my union will guarantee that I will not be terminated for rejecting Management instructions? First of all, no one the IAM can make that guarantee; second, no one should be a "trip wire" especially without a well-orchestrated plan already in place, and finally, no one should be put into that position if union/management discussions could correct the issue without risking people's jobs!

Jester,
 
With all due respect many people talk to me regarding numerous issues. Some want answers and some are venting or giving ideas to problems. If you were asking me to do something about a specific issue I missed it. You can message me the issue and I can message you back when I get an answer or you can call me. Regarding scanning in the bin, the manual states what I posted. I am looking further into this. I talked to our Safety Director Tony D. and he was going to contact our rep. here in PHX to discuss various safety concerns with him.
 
We do have a Safety Committee in PHX led by RP and I do recommend that you pose safety concerns through him or me. If you have an idea on a plan of attack for a particular issue please bring forward. Ideas are always appreciated in order to make this a better place. 
 
P. Rez

 

[psa8979]

To the F/S IAM Brothers/Sisters at PHX you have the power and numbers to create change for ALL of US. The problem is you need to be on the same page both at the Leadership and Rank/File level. May I suggest you need to have D-141 Leadership and even International Leadership camp-out in PHX until  you get DP/LCC to listen to your/our GRIEVANCES ! By the way filing   a WC Claim is your right if you get hurt ,injured, or sick while at work and is a NO- FAULT system in every State. In CA we also have the best SDI which covers workers if AIG/LCC denies claim which should be in our CBA . For those that work in a States that don't have SDI you need to have LTD Insurance which can be purchased when signing up for benefits happening now at LCC. Work smart ! Work safe ! Safety first ! Fraternally.

 

[Hope777]

Jester,
 
With all due respect many people talk to me regarding numerous issues. Some want answers and some are venting or giving ideas to problems. If you were asking me to do something about a specific issue I missed it. You can message me the issue and I can message you back when I get an answer or you can call me. Regarding scanning in the bin, the manual states what I posted. I am looking further into this. I talked to our Safety Director Tony D. and he was going to contact our rep. here in PHX to discuss various safety concerns with him.
 
We do have a Safety Committee in PHX led by RP and I do recommend that you pose safety concerns through him or me. If you have an idea on a plan of attack for a particular issue please bring forward. Ideas are always appreciated in order to make this a better place. 
 
P. Rez

DONT expect much help for Tony D.  Issues in our station were brought up to him years ago during a Station Visit....do You know what changed????  NOTHING !

 

[Solidarity]

DONT expect much help for Tony D.  Issues in our station were brought up to him years ago during a Station Visit....do You know what changed????  NOTHING !

Hope,

That is unfortunate. What station were you in when Tony D did not affect any change?

 

[Hope777]

EWR 

 

[psa8979]

FYI IAM FS PHX Brothers/Sisters our CBA NC and D-141 Leadership will be in Tempe the week of Nov. 18 . I suggest you ALL ! have them meet with Members to voice your Grievances and Scanning/Safety issues you claim to be having. Now is your chance to raise your voices and step up. Use your leverage of being a HUB and Corporate Headquarters for LCC. IMO time is running out for  PHX IAM FS to use the power you have in numbers and media limelight with pending Merger approaching and rumored draw-down of flights. Good luck. Solidarity works. 

 

[robbedagain]

any updates on the negogiations?   id be willing to bet that the donkeys dont want to budge for fsa  and if the mtr was bad  then ours will most likely be that or worse     but if there is a settlement for merger  just how fast would the donkeys want to settle with the iam...    i do not think that the donkeys want to merge into aa with labor disputes from the old usairways   but of course only time will tell  

 

[charlie Brown]

any updates on the negogiations?   id be willing to bet that the donkeys dont want to budge for fsa  and if the mtr was bad  then ours will most likely be that or worse     but if there is a settlement for merger  just how fast would the donkeys want to settle with the iam...    i do not think that the donkeys want to merge into aa with labor disputes from the old usairways   but of course only time will tell

Talks with 142 didn't go well. They negotiated up until yesterday, but broke off with nothing. Update is on the 142 web site.

 

[ograc]

Talks with 142 didn't go well. They negotiated up until yesterday, but broke off with nothing. Update is on the 142 web site.

In the meantime we, the Fleet Service Group, theorize and chatter about compliance to safety and scanning bags. We chatter about how we're scared to stand up for ourselves, regarding safety procedures, because of a lack of faith in our union leadership. What we fail to realize is, while we dwell on such divisive and trivial issues, the company continues to blatantly ignore the group's needs at the negotiating table. Who's scanning the bags and wheather your union leadership will support you; pales in comparison to the company's posture at the negotiating table. Pay attention and focus on the true mission folks! CONTRACT NOW Brothers and Sisters! Lock and Load! 

 

[ograc]

any updates on the negogiations?   id be willing to bet that the donkeys dont want to budge for fsa  and if the mtr was bad  then ours will most likely be that or worse     but if there is a settlement for merger  just how fast would the donkeys want to settle with the iam...    i do not think that the donkeys want to merge into aa with labor disputes from the old usairways   but of course only time will tell  

Based on the recent posture of the company with MTC. and Related you can bet the house our Fleet Service Negotiating Committee will be facing the same stall tactic with our future contract negotiations. WARNING: STALL! WARNING: STALL! IMO... if there is a settlement for a merger; the company's next move will be to persuade District 141 to abandon Section 6 negotiations for the existing US Fleet Service and enter into transition agreement negotiations. If there is no settlement for a merger and subsequently it appears the merger will not transpire; the company's position in negotiations will be Boo Hoo Boo HOO we are a stand alone carrier and in order to compete with the big boys we must reduce our costs. Therefore, as they reached for the box of Kleenex, we cannot afford to give the Fleet Service any improvements in their current wage and working conditions. Never mind the fact they are currently making record profits as a stand alone carrier. Robbed; I have to respectfully disagree. This company has a history of ongoing labor disputes with every union on their property. It seems to be a part of their overall business strategy. IMO... a green light for the merger will not change this posture and stategy going forward.   

 

[robbedagain]

i hear ya orgac and after reading your post  i understand what your saying bro  and i do agree w you bro     lock n loaded   f..k the transition negos if we merge  contracts now  not later  screw the merger   contracts now

 

[psa8979]

Brothers /Sisters the facts are DP/LCC will only negotiate in good faith if forced to. As long as they have the NMB ,RLA, and Mediator to use against US and WE/IAM are not released its STATUS QUE ! The Merger when it happens will only strengthen their game plan to divide/conquer and push for another transition CBA. They have all ready framed their internal propaganda that WE/IAM are the enemy. How the IAM NC's , D-141, D142, and Membership play their cards will determine our future working for the new # 1 Airline Inc. headquartered in TEXAS ?

 

[ograc]

Brothers /Sisters the facts are DP/LCC will only negotiate in good faith if forced to. As long as they have the NMB ,RLA, and Mediator to use against US and WE/IAM are not released its STATUS QUE ! The Merger when it happens will only strengthen their game plan to divide/conquer and push for another transition CBA. They have all ready framed their internal propaganda that WE/IAM are the enemy. How the IAM NC's , D-141, D142, and Membership play their cards will determine our future working for the new # 1 Airline Inc. headquartered in TEXAS ?

Agreed. Let's hope the DL 141 & 142 Negotiating Committees do not cave in to the company's strategy. Contracts first for MTC. & Related and Fleet Service at US. Transition agreement talks after this has been accomplished. The horse before the cart so to speak. If the company's strategy is to abandon Section 6 Negotiations, for both existing groups at US, in favor of Transition Agreements, I have to believe this strategy serves their interests over the IAM membership. With this in mind... I stronly suggest the NCs to reject this strategy and demand CONTRACTS NOW for the existing IAM US represented groups. LOCK AND LOAD Brothers and Sisters!