Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[737823]

Why do you fail to ignore and address the harmfulness of the IAM negotiations at UA and personally attract Tim and not his valid points?

He has an emotional attachment to the IAM and feels the need to rationalize and defend everything the union does. To him the IAM is doing the membership a favor simply allowing them to pay dues.

Josh

 

[john john]

He has an emotional attachment to the IAM and feels the need to rationalize and defend everything the union does. To him the IAM is doing the membership a favor simply allowing them to pay dues.

Josh

He should defend what unions do that is my point. If USAirways front line employees every needed good union negotiations and solidarity it is now the time is right to move the bar up not down

 

[737823]

He should defend what unions do that is my point. If USAirways front line employees every needed good union negotiations and solidarity it is now the time is right to move the bar up not down

Curious to ask what does the CWA have planned? Are they thinking US agents plus AA agents that historically support the union will make it a go this time? Pretty sure that is what AFA thought going into Delta-NWA and we both know what happened. Most of the AA agents I know don't want a union, seems most of the CWA proponents are at ORD and LGA. Not much interest in MIA.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

I'm very concerned for labor.  I haven't seen any evidence of the AFLCIO leadership or the IAM leadership that has benefitted workers more than management over the past few years.  My hope is that the greater world of labor in this country isn't in as bad as shape with leadership and that the pitfalls have been isolated to Boeing, United, and similar.   It seems as though there is a great deal of fear from labor leaders. 
 
A.  Fear + representing workers = Death
B.  Soft + management = destruction
C.  Talk - Walk = Flip Like Pancake
C.  Hope + integrity = Success
D.  Tough + Patience = Fairness
 
Those formulas above may not be full proof but  I'd say our IAM INTL and IAM 141 leadership fit into A, B, and C.  Not saying our NC but I've seen NC's  pushed aside into submission because of ignorance after getting hoodwinked due to complete and utter ignorance. At United, the INTL had its attorney write a letter manufacturing the idea that TA2 had to be ratified or that leverage would be lost and that congress would ultimately rubber stamp a worse contract years down the road. Hopefully, Delta management didn't see that letter because it would be a death nail for any organizing drive as the union's "Top Person" was instructed to write such an anti union letter explaining that the union is powerless.  Due to the complete ignorance on the laws and strategies, and models,  the NC just 'took it up the arse', presumably thinking that they were doing the 'right thang'.   Also, instead of focusing on mainline {United was the biggest airline with 700 jets], Delaney focused on express and convinced the NC that it was better to take a grab at a short term gain of express work and toss out all express and mainline work at most stations.  And he also convinced them to raise health care cost so management wouldn't have to make difficult decisions that could involve bankruptcy due to competitive disadvantages.

I hear ya, and I don't disagree with any of that... I just have a different vision of how the way forward should best play out.

 

[necigrad]

But I don't see this committee flipping. We're running a marathon here, not a sprint. But I am a little concerned about our members getting impatient and settling, which is what the company is hoping for.

If the NC stays strong and doesn't settle for things that the NC and membership say is wrong or unacceptable, you won't have a problem with patience.  The only way impatience will come into play is if a TA is presented to the membership for a vote.  Stand your ground and get the TA we DESERVE, not what will pass.  If you do that it will be a decent TA that the membership can decide on, or there won't be a TA and we'll go to self help.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Curious to ask what does the CWA have planned? Are they thinking US agents plus AA agents that historically support the union will make it a go this time? Pretty sure that is what AFA thought going into Delta-NWA and we both know what happened. Most of the AA agents I know don't want a union, seems most of the CWA proponents are at ORD and LGA. Not much interest in MIA.Josh

I wouldnt be surprised if parker and cwa cut a deal similar to ua that the cwa may accept to avoid an election. 7 or so stations mainline then the cwa uses piedmont to backfill small stations. Dunno.

 

[john john]

I wouldnt be surprised if parker and cwa cut a deal similar to ua that the cwa may accept to avoid an election. 7 or so stations mainline then the cwa uses piedmont to backfill small stations. Dunno.

This would be a nightmare. But IAM showed the way

 

[Tim Nelson]

This would be a nightmare. But IAM showed the way

"As is" i doubt this sorta contract would have enuf juice to pass without more division created.

 

[ograc]

Based on opinions of alleged past agendas and recent history of the IAM on this forum... I believe, to the average member, it would be unclear who the true enemy is. Most frontline members would be asking; I'm paying over $60.00 per month in union dues for this level of representation? Hmmm.... 

 

[700UW]

Curious to ask what does the CWA have planned? Are they thinking US agents plus AA agents that historically support the union will make it a go this time? Pretty sure that is what AFA thought going into Delta-NWA and we both know what happened. Most of the AA agents I know don't want a union, seems most of the CWA proponents are at ORD and LGA. Not much interest in MIA.

Josh

This is the IAM at US thread, not CWA.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

This is the IAM at US thread, not CWA.

Are you the moderator?

 

[700UW]

Are you?

 

[cltrat]

he isn't trying to be and you have rolled enough threads off topic that maybe you shouldn't either.

btw I am still waiting for an answer to my question of you.

 

[737823]

he isn't trying to be and you have rolled enough threads off topic that maybe you shouldn't either.btw I am still waiting for an answer to my question of you.

(Birds chirping)

Josh

 

[737823]

nice ignoringhere's a simple one for youbased on what you and all of us have seen do you trust the upper leadership and Delaney? a simple yes or no please

Answer this question 700

Josh