Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion
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Tim Nelson
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The IAM INTL officers also should be cleansed and voted out. These clowns gave up the NLRB suit against Boeing after getting a contract last year that supported the non union plant in South Carolina that the NLRB said was against the NLRA, in return for the company's non participation in an organizing campaign at that plant. Problem is, nobody at the South Carolina plant wants the IAM and, as it turns out, the company didn't even have to bother an anti union campaign.
Now, the District at Boeing is being forced by Buffenbarger and Roach to shove another concessionary contract their way. The District is VEHEMENTLY opposed to this and blasted the INTL on its own website. More importantly, the IAMPF is suppose to be replaced, from what I understand, as Boeing doesn't want to get stuck with it. Having 30,000 less members in the IAMPF has consequences for all IAM members.
At any rate, here is the link http://247wallst.com/aerospace-defense/2013/12/22/boeing-has-outmaneuvered-its-union/
Now, the District at Boeing is being forced by Buffenbarger and Roach to shove another concessionary contract their way. The District is VEHEMENTLY opposed to this and blasted the INTL on its own website. More importantly, the IAMPF is suppose to be replaced, from what I understand, as Boeing doesn't want to get stuck with it. Having 30,000 less members in the IAMPF has consequences for all IAM members.
At any rate, here is the link http://247wallst.com/aerospace-defense/2013/12/22/boeing-has-outmaneuvered-its-union/
Tim Nelson
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I provided a link to show that no elected official, even a district, has to be a puppet on a string. The IAM constitution, IMO, is AWESOME and allows such freedom due to most positions being elected. Elected officials can not be reprimanded according to the Supreme court, unless there is neglect of duty. Only appointed folks like Jay Cronk could be fired for dissenting or running against an INTL guy. Just because Klemm and Bartz and [by all accounts] the entire eboard answers to Delaney as opposed to the membership, doesn't mean that has to be that way. It isn't. The below link shows an ENTIRE district standing against the corporate minded INTL. It's important for all to read the link to the District webpage because if our NC holds strong, the INTL may force a contract here or hoodwink those in charge.ograc said:
Remember, Boeing is making millions of dollars but the TA ups health care cost substantially, limits wages, and tosses out the defined pension. The INTL simply doesn't give a damn at Boeing or United so why the hell would anyone think it gives a damn about US AIRWAYS members????
http://www.iam751.org/
Tim Nelson
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The IAM"s "Top Expert" used to toss out scope at United. This is how these pimps sell a contract and the NC wash their hands. Same thing happened with the class 2 pay and seniority cleansing when the IAM used a Attorney and guaranteed the 1113 letters were iron clad and no more concessions would be needed [even though two more concessionary agreements did in fact follow]. Remember, they sell the BS with their salaried "experts" who will formulate an opinion whichever way its boss tells them to.
"In short, because of the size of the company and its national scope of operations, it is most likely that Congress would not permit a strike, and may first threaten the parties with the imposition of a CBA, effective months or years after the current anticipated effective date of the TA. Thus, rejection of this TA is not likely to generate greater pressure on the Company to further improve its terms, since there is realistically no prospect of a strike."
Ira L. Gottlieb Bush Gottlieb Singer Lopez Kohanski Adelstein & Dickinson 500 North Central Avenue, Suite 800, Glendale, CA 91203
Essentially, what the attorney is saying is to toss away scope, increase health care, toss away thousands of full time jobs, and let the company who is making record profits, off the hook. Why? So that the IAM and start the collection of thousands of dues, and the company will have a seamless merger. Puck that!
"In short, because of the size of the company and its national scope of operations, it is most likely that Congress would not permit a strike, and may first threaten the parties with the imposition of a CBA, effective months or years after the current anticipated effective date of the TA. Thus, rejection of this TA is not likely to generate greater pressure on the Company to further improve its terms, since there is realistically no prospect of a strike."
Ira L. Gottlieb Bush Gottlieb Singer Lopez Kohanski Adelstein & Dickinson 500 North Central Avenue, Suite 800, Glendale, CA 91203
Essentially, what the attorney is saying is to toss away scope, increase health care, toss away thousands of full time jobs, and let the company who is making record profits, off the hook. Why? So that the IAM and start the collection of thousands of dues, and the company will have a seamless merger. Puck that!
Why did the international endorse the POS Boeing agreement? Do you think they are afraid Boeing will indeed move a substantial number of jobs to new facilities in RTW states that would be difficult/not lucrative for the IAM to organize therefore they would lose dues?
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Tim Nelson
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I think it is fairly obvious that this IAM leadership doesn't give a crap about middle class jobs. It's not their health care, etc. The IAM leadership has re-created the term "Yellow Dog Contract" which were normally agreements between the employee and employer to remain non union. The IAM leadership is focused on cleaning out all the middle class jobs and bringing in low wages, high health care and part time work in its efforts of ushering in the onslaught against the middle class as it supports management. The very basic tenets of labor have been violated repeatedly by the IAM leadership. What was really twisted was that Obama had their back and issued an injunction against Boeing for the South Carolina plant but the IAM Leadership waived it off and supported management after getting a mini contract at Boeing last year. Now, the INTL is totally blowing up the good paying jobs at Boeing as it did at United. And who the hell thinks anyone on our NC is going to stop this???? Trust me, if the INTL can shove over a complete district, like at Boeing, and cut a deal with management, you can BANK on us members having to stick together to fight whatever comes our way that is inequitable. I certainly doubt the ball stripped Delaney will get in the way. The United members were hoodwinked with all the gray from the lies, hopefully, the US AIRWAYS members will be wiser. If the Boeing members don't ratify, I would hope that they collectively bring Boeing to their knees with a strike or chaos actions. But it will be difficult when the INTL refuses to support the members and sides with management on doubling health care, creating low wages, and tossing out a pension.737823 said:
Who doesn't think what happens on Jan 3 will affect the US AIRWAYS situation? Remember, Boeing wants to opt out of the IAMPF from what I understand but the Boeing members are against that. When the IAMPF lost 13,000 Delta workers on December 10,2010, it slashed future benefits on December 13, 2010 by letter. This union is a complete mess and anyone wishing to continue on the present leadership course needs their heads examined.
Just wondering if the DL is the one that holds the official certification why do they allow the Grand Lodge to push them around? Good to see the district is telling the members the vote is occurring against the interest of the district. Seems they are hoping to hold the vote after a holiday thinking there will be low turnout and get this BS passed just like they pulled at UAL. What's next they will be meeting with animal rights and environmental groups while standing by and allowing solid middle class jobs to get destroyed?
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Tim Nelson
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I have nothing against PETA and NAACP and the other organizations that the IAM has focused on affiliations with but I want to go back to the days where a union focuses solely on labor and labor rights. Broadening the scope to fighting for animals, whales, and also other elements of civil rights loses focus of labor rights imo.737823 said:
Our bylaws will rule and our NC must make a recommendation one way or the other. That won't stop the INTL from pressing and getting a TA if it wanted to circumvent things. As we see with all IAM contracts that have been signed of late, whether Boeing or United, the IAM leadership has tossed itself "All In" with management and there is no reason to think that it views US AIRWAYS members as any more worthy to keep the things that we have fought for to this date.
I agree labor is pursuing animals rights, environmental, LGBT, social justice, and other groups with a progressive agenda in an attempt to distract people from the real issues facing the labor movement and broader middle class. However, Trumka said at the AFL-CIO convention that these groups will pay dues/fees for their affiliation with AFL-CIO. So I think they are still chasing after dues seeing membership rolls continue to plummet they need to recover the revenue in other new ways. Again the AFL-CIO has no problem seeing UA IAM jobs go to American Eagle (TWU) at six stations, they still collect dues and they can pursue groups like PETA.
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Tim Nelson
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Union members are not stupid. Michigan is a right to work state because labor isnt so defined and most of its members dont connect with labor joining forces with management (right wing) and left wing organizations.737823 said:
Kev3188
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No question labor needs to refocus, but this is where you and I politely disagree. I think you absolutely include groups like the worker centers, and other advocacy groups under at least a broad umbrella. In general A] They want to advance the same interests as most working class Americans, and B] A union member isn't just a union member while on the property. The things that are important to us on the floor are generally important away from it as well.
I'm not sure it's a distraction. At this point I see it as a good idea, not terribly well executed (yet)...
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Part of that refocusing I mentioned means realizing that "partnerships" with mgmt. are usually a one way street. That needs to be rebalanced, and fast.
Tim Nelson
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I'm very concerned for labor. I haven't seen any evidence of the AFLCIO leadership or the IAM leadership that has benefitted workers more than management over the past few years. My hope is that the greater world of labor in this country isn't in as bad as shape with leadership and that the pitfalls have been isolated to Boeing, United, and similar. It seems as though there is a great deal of fear from labor leaders.Kev3188 said:
A. Fear + representing workers = Death
B. Soft + management = destruction
C. Talk - Walk = Flip Like Pancake
C. Hope + integrity = Success
D. Tough + Patience = Fairness
Those formulas above may not be full proof but I'd say our IAM INTL and IAM 141 leadership fit into A, B, and C. Not saying our NC but I've seen NC's pushed aside into submission because of ignorance after getting hoodwinked due to complete and utter ignorance. At United, the INTL had its attorney write a letter manufacturing the idea that TA2 had to be ratified or that leverage would be lost and that congress would ultimately rubber stamp a worse contract years down the road. Hopefully, Delta management didn't see that letter because it would be a death nail for any organizing drive as the union's "Top Person" was instructed to write such an anti union letter explaining that the union is powerless. Due to the complete ignorance on the laws and strategies, and models, the NC just 'took it up the arse', presumably thinking that they were doing the 'right thang'. Also, instead of focusing on mainline {United was the biggest airline with 700 jets], Delaney focused on express and convinced the NC that it was better to take a grab at a short term gain of express work and toss out all express and mainline work at most stations. And he also convinced them to raise health care cost so management wouldn't have to make difficult decisions that could involve bankruptcy due to competitive disadvantages.
The union itself, not only fears, but attempts to build fear. In Ira Gottlieb's anti union letter, he mentions that congress may very well step in. What he doesn't mention is that it has NEVER happened in the entire airline industry history. And better yet, a PEB has NEVER even happened for any non licensed airline worker. The history is CONVINCING against what Ira said as the casework is unanimous against his manufactured position. Only 3 times since the 60's has even a PEB been delivered. Twice to Pilots, once to MX [USair MX in the 90's]. But there is no evidence that the president or congress has EVER gotten in the way of collective bargaining for non licensed airline personnel. Our NC needs to know those things and that everything else is Bull S.
So I remain a skeptic due to evidence. Forgive me Father for I have sinned....
Tim Nelson
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I think ultimately you are correct. In negotiations, Delaney intentionally refused to insource express work where the IAM is already enjoying dues collection. For instance, IAD hub where DL142 enjoys its newest anti labor agreement it signed where most of its members can probably get full section 6 housing and full food stamps at Air willy. Air Willy management also thanked the IAM142 for the co-op it has with it and mentioned to the air willy workers that United airlines has contacted it about bidding on an upcoming 200 additional stations. That will certainly turn into a nice revenue grab for the IAM. Most likely, the co-op between management and IAM141 at United will strengthen since it has a "Clear path" now and things will be worked out for the contractor to take over dozens of stations per year where both parties can benefit.737823 said:
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