Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[737823]

Tim,
 
I support our UA members in good times and bad. As for the TA, only saw highlight sheet, haven't read it. My focus has been on US members and our negotiations. 
 
My post was to point out that you are political, not just informing members.
 
P. Rez

Seriously? The information is out there, and if you are an NC member for US you really should inform yourself of the UA agreement and learn from the mistakes they made so you don't repeat them.

Josh

 

[P. REZ]

Seriously? The information is out there, and if you are an NC member for US you really should inform yourself of the UA agreement and learn from the mistakes they made so you don't repeat them.

Josh

Josh,
 
Don't need to know anything about that contract. I know what is good and bad in our contract and I know when I see troublesome language being proposed by the Company. 
 
Why are you on this site so much? Why don't you worry about the B.S. fees financial institutions are charging to make up for the losses from the criminal acts they performed in the housing market and Wall Street and leave airline stuff to airline people.  
 
P. Rez

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

JFK I share your concerns as well, though when I look the TWU and comments I see on the AA board I can't have much confidence in them either.

For the most part that is all aircraft maintenance venting their spleens,make no mistake though, the TWU is just as inept as the IAM is.
 
This alliance is about nothing more than maintaining dues revenue for both unions.

 

[robbedagain]

Prez now that the nmb assigned 1 mediator for all iam negos with usairways does that in any way help more when you folks go back to the tables?

 

[737823]

Josh,
 
Don't need to know anything about that contract. I know what is good and bad in our contract and I know when I see troublesome language being proposed by the Company. 
 
Why are you on this site so much? Why don't you worry about the B.S. fees financial institutions are charging to make up for the losses from the criminal acts they performed in the housing market and Wall Street and leave airline stuff to airline people.  
 
P. Rez

Have whatever attitude you want about the UA agreement, but I think many here agree it has serious implications for you at the negotiating table as that is now "industry standard". I am free to post here, been posting for several years now and enjoy the forums. I do not directly charge people fees that is a separate division of my firm altogether which I have no part of.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I support our UA members in good times and bad. As for the TA, only saw highlight sheet, haven't read it. My focus has been on US members and our negotiations. 
 
My post was to point out that you are political, not just informing members.
 
P. Rez

Im not surprised. The entire eboard voted unanimously to endorse the ua ta, based on a highlight alone. I find that to be a disservice. . As a district officer, have you bothered to read the ual contract at all or is usairways your total focus?
The reason why i ask is because it is very important to understand it and inform our members how members get hosed by management without part time caps. I assumed you read it and just didnt skim over it since you talked about some sorta realities (a few pages back) that are well represented in that ta. My bad.

So u dont know if you would have supported the united ta at all then, correct?

 

[P. REZ]

Im not surprised. The entire eboard voted unanimously to endorse the ua ta, based on a highlight alone. I find that to be a disservice. . As a district officer, have you bothered to read the ual contract at all or is usairways your total focus?
The reason why i ask is because it is very important to understand it and inform our members how members get hosed by management without part time caps. I assumed you read it and just didnt skim over it since you talked about some sorta realities (a few pages back) that are well represented in that ta. My bad.

So u dont know if you would have supported the united ta at all then, correct?

Tim,
 
I am not going to get into a political battle. I do have a grasp on issues confronting employees in this industry as I stated several pages back. And, I know when I see a B.S. proposal from the Company. As for my focus, I will admit it has been 100% on US. We need an effing contract from this cheap, greedy airline. If an employee for UA, SW or any other airline were to ask me for help I would help.
 
P. Rez   

 

[mike33]

Tim,
 
I am not going to get into a political battle. I do have a grasp on issues confronting employees in this industry as I stated several pages back. And, I know when I see a B.S. proposal from the Company. As for my focus, I will admit it has been 100% on US. We need an effing contract from this cheap, greedy airline. If an employee for UA, SW or any other airline were to ask me for help I would help.
 
P. Rez   

Unfortunately you are guilty by association. Thats the way it is. I didn't like the UA contract as i said it would set us back. But,  we must go forward. Lessons learned. Maybe we must set the industry on the right path. Stay Focused ! lets do this. 

 

[700UW]

What is mind boggling to me is after Randy Canale the damage he did at UA/US and now Delaney's regime why won't the DL 141 membership demand accountability from their officers and AGCs? Like most other things is it simply apathy among the membership?

Josh

Why don't you ask Tim who spearheaded to get Canale out and Delaney elected and what reward was given?

 

[charlie Brown]

I appreciate everyone's input on here, I really do. And maybe PRez or myself haven't made it clear that we are mostly in agreement with what you guys state on here. But also I would caution that just because it's stated on here, doesn't mean that's the majority. I mean we have what maybe 10 people that post regularly on here. And some people say that some have two or three different avatars. So it may not even be 10 people posting regularly. I think our biggest challenge from traveling to many stations, is keeping the members all focused and not let the company split the membership. As far as your NC is concerned, we are focused on what the membership has said. We will stay strong, I have no doubt!! Does that mean everyone will approve of the T/A that we get? Of course not. We have to do what we think is best for the membership as a WHOLE. Remember there are some posting on this board that swore Delaney would take us straight into joint negotiations like he did at UA without getting nothing beforehand. Well that hasn't happened. Even though people was 100% sure it would. We must work on keeping all of fleet focused on what's important. That's what we should be working on with these post.

 

[700UW]

Charlie,
 
They have no clue what's it's like to be in negotiations, it would be nice to take Tim in there as an observer, since he has NEVER been on a Negotiating Committee before, but he cant be trusted.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I am not going to get into a political battle. I do have a grasp on issues confronting employees in this industry as I stated several pages back. And, I know when I see a B.S. proposal from the Company. As for my focus, I will admit it has been 100% on US. We need an effing contract from this cheap, greedy airline. If an employee for UA, SW or any other airline were to ask me for help I would help.
 
P. Rez   

Prez,  you engaged me.  Told me you don't trust me and then asked me for my ideas. Obviously, I have no reason to trust you as well.  So now that that is out of the way, I told you one of my ideas and you bust my balls on it and label it political?  Don't ask me for my ideas any more.  But there is nothing political about suggesting that you really should redouble your efforts by reading the United TA and getting a fresh perspective as you apply it to the actions happening today.  Then, my idea for you to use it as a life application to our membership by informing the membership how tossing away part time caps will necessarily have management 'pounce' on hundreds and thousands of full timers.  I don't think a UPS style contract with 80% part time is what our membership wants but it is the exact sorta thing that management wants.   And it isn't a bad idea to consider what Kev said in a couple post ago. Do I have any unseen idea?  Any earth shattering perspective I can give you?  Nope.  At this point, you guys are saying all the right things, things that I support.   I'm not saying I can predict the future 100% but I don't think you guys are going to do what you say. I've seen this tape before.  Again, not saying I'm right, but if you can't even answer a question about the United contract then that tells me you are a bought man by Delaney. 
 
Oh, one last thing,  will you support a TA at US AIRWAYS that lessons the part time cap?  Yes or No?    Simple enough, yes? 
 
And I thought you were your own man??   Can you not answer a simple question, do you or do you not support the UA contract?  It's actually a very important question coming from someone you are representing since it gives me a better perspective on your ideas and what to expect. 
 
To be sure, yes, I admit I don't trust you.  I think you are a nice guy, but I don't trust you either.  Am I biased?  Of course, since the eboard said all the right things and did all the wrong things at United.  Yes, that makes me biased.  I really hope you surprise us though.

 

[737823]

Charlie,
 
They have no clue what's it's like to be in negotiations, it would be nice to take Tim in there as an observer, since he has NEVER been on a Negotiating Committee before, but he cant be trusted.

And remind everyone how fruitful your involvement on the NC was.

Josh

 

[cltrat]

Charlie,
 
They have no clue what's it's like to be in negotiations, it would be nice to take Tim in there as an observer, since he has NEVER been on a Negotiating Committee before, but he cant be trusted.

you forgot to remind us how uneducated we are

 

[700UW]

Lets see I single handily got the Early Out for Mechanic and Related when the company offered to every group in the company except the Mechanic and Related employees.
 
I campaigned for a no vote, so I did my part.

And it takes two sides to reach an agreement.