Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

 

Kev this is the IAM-they will act in the interest of the union and maximizing dues, not putting the membership first. We have seen this time and time again this is nothing new.

Josh

That's just it; agreeing to a Helping Hands style agreement doesn't do any of the above.

 

[Kev3188]

 

Wrong, when we took concessions at US the m&r reps took concessions also.

Also back in the day when UA took concessions the reps at US and UA took concessions.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

The Grand Lodge reps are unionized and have a CBA that they are covered under.

I'm just gonna get this out of the way:

Can't say how it is at 141 or 142, but our General Chairs earned every last nickel.

Let's also remember that the vast majority of elected officers in a union at the station level (shop stewards, chief stewards, greivance committee, etc.) don't get paid at all for that work.

 

[737823]

I'm just gonna get this out of the way:

Can't say how it is at 141 or 142, but our General Chairs earned every last nickel.

Let's also remember that the vast majority of elected officers in a union at the station level (shop stewards, chief stewards, greivance committee, etc.) don't get paid at all for that work.

What about the Grand Lodge cronies; Ira, Sito, Roach, Buffy, etc?

Josh

 

[700UW]

 

[robbedagain]

it sounds like you are fixated on the iam and what happened in the past...   as bad as what happen to us  back then is what led to the removal of randy canoli or canali  but times have changed  esp with the mergers and given that  the iam 141 and 142 at us has a lot more leverage now than ever before....    but as 700 has pointed out repeatedly josh  its up to the federal govt section  the NMB and the Mediators to schedule the talks  or to declare an impasse...   i also dont believe the iam will cave   too much is at stake here  time to move on from the past

 

[mike33]

Twu employee is reporting that the iam and twu met before thanksgiving and jointly agreed to approach management with a side agreement that asks management to hire laid off amr workers over new hires at usairways. On the face of it, this would appear fair, however more may be at stake that would make this a "no go" with me.
Remember, last time the iam did this, management wanted something in return to make the last merger more "seamless". Thus the creation of the helping hand agreement.

To be sure, i believe our negotiation team needs to pressure delaney (and it can if it chooses to) not to support any measure that reduces our overall leverage by bringing the merger closer without an equitable contract first.

Helping hand agreements are scandals that cant be policed. Plus if grievances are filed under helping hands the grievances usually go into limbo rendering the enforcement of helping hands impractical.

Time will tell if our union compromises the leverage on this once again.

This would be a Deal Breaker for me. 1 it shows the company that we are not as strong as we are professing. I definitely agree with the hiring of the furloughed employees but not at the expense of " Leverage ".  The hiring of those employee back to the workforce only shows the public and gov't officials what DP has been professing for 2 yrs. That the New American will offer opportunities for its employees amongst other things. You may not be on the active payroll, but you are still an employee with a (*) status attached to you.

 

[700UW]

Its not a rumor, the IAM and the TWU met and did discuss that, the IAM put out a release about it and I posted it on the forums.
 

IAM General Vice President Sito Pantoja and Transportation Department Staff met this week with the newly elected leadership of the Transport Workers Union (TWU) in Washington DC.

The parties made general introductions discussed the TWU-IAM Joint Employee Associations and issues related to single carrier status.

Both unions agreed that in locations where one carrier is hiring and the other carrier has represented members on furlough, the unions would jointly approach the hiring carrier and request the furloughed represented members be offered employment.

The meeting was professional and cordial, and was the start of what is expected to be a strong IAM-TWU partnership at the New American Airlines.
 

 

[737823]

"The IAM put out a release and I posted it on the forums"

Hmm yet another indication that you an IAM agent

Josh

 

[700UW]

An agent?
 
Really?
 
Go find me an on LM-2, you wont.
 
My friends and my son's mother works out there still, I get the IAM Newswire e-mails, that anyone can sign up for and just posted them as an FYI to the board.
 
So if you want to keep making false accusations go right ahead, I will just keep them like I all ready have for when the time is necessary.
 
http://www.goiam.org/index.php/territories/transportation/12184-iam-twu-discuss-us-airwaysamerican-merger

 

[Kev3188]

"The IAM put out a release and I posted it on the forums"

Hmm yet another indication that you an IAM agent

Josh

 
 
No it's not.
 
Lots of people get those email blasts. I do, and so do a lot of people I know. None of them are business agents for the IAM.
 
Heck, you can too. All you need to do is sign up to receive them.

 

[737823]

No it's not.
 
Lots of people get those email blasts. I do, and so do a lot of people I know. None of them are business agents for the IAM.
 
Heck, you can too. All you need to do is sign up to receive them.

No need to. I get APFA Hotline by email, that is the only union bulletin I subscribe to. Don't have any friends or know anyone outside this forum working for US Fleet or M&R. Besides why would I want anything other than 700's fine reporting and sharing of IAM info?

Josh

 

[mike33]

No need to. I get APFA Hotline by email, that is the only union bulletin I subscribe to. Don't have any friends or know anyone outside this forum working for US Fleet or M&R. Besides why would I want anything other than 700's fine reporting and sharing of IAM info?

Josh

So tell us why again you are here with so many derogatory remarks about a union that you don't even subscribe to?  I missed that part !!!
 
 And don't use the freedom of speech things please. We all get that part.

 

[737823]

So tell us why again you are here with so many derogatory remarks about a union that you don't even subscribe to?  I missed that part !!!
 
 And don't use the freedom of speech things please. We all get that part.

I know first hand how the IAM treats their members, I have two close friends that were IAM dues objectors CO NLS and have seen it all with LL 2339N. The IAM continually lowers the bar for all workers in this industry, all they care about is dues. Despite the many failures of AFA, they are happier with the IAM gone although would prefer to be unorganized.

Josh

 

[mike33]

I know first hand how the IAM treats their members, I have two close friends that were IAM dues objectors CO NLS and have seen it all with LL 2339N. The IAM continually lowers the bar for all workers in this industry, all they care about is dues. Despite the many failures of AFA, they are happier with the IAM gone although would prefer to be unorganized.

Josh

  Knowing first hand by word of mouth is not firsthand.  So what about you?.....would you rather be unorganized? 

 

[737823]

Knowing first hand by word of mouth is not firsthand.  So what about you?.....would you rather be unorganized?

Absolutely, like 90% of the US work force.

The sCO passenger service agents were better served unorganized under Fly to Win than garbage IAM contract, now many of them have to relocate to hubs just for the privilege of keeping a job! Imagine that!

Josh