Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Filing for single carrier status can only be done by the union. At this point; it is the union's leverage in Section 6 negotiations. CONTRACTS FIRST for the outstanding bargaining units at US (MTC & Related and Fleet) before entering into JCBA talks. Without single carrier status; the newly merged airlines cannot integrate seniority or work. Without this integration they cannot achieve the projected "synergies" of this merger as promised to Wall Street and the shareholders. Without a JCBA both groups will continue to work their own metal. The leverage is there. Let's hope the District leadership uses it wisely.

You are absolutely right, except that parker got the twu to trigger single carrier within 6 months of the merger date. Not that a union has to leave section 6 talks.
Also, only by triggering single carrier can there be a representational dispute where we would have to decide in annmb election on this new association.
The fence agreement language that the twu agreed to after a merger would be voided...and that is a good thing.

I dont trust the situation and i susppect that the iam141 will fall short based on what they have done. Ill have to rewatch delaneys latest video but it seems that he is very cautious in his speech. Strictly opinion that is just a hunch but it seems as if he uses terms that offer band aid protection along with a small wage bump.
We have leverage and should be taking a position to actually increase scope but the leadership in this district has only passed the buck with detonation dates. I see no reason why we cant at least grandfather all current stations in stone without drop dead expirations.

 

[700UW]

Tim,

The TWU has agreed with the IAM, and won't be filing SCS, without the IAM agreeing, read the Alliance Agreement. Per Tom Regan, who negotiated the alliance.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,The TWU has agreed with the IAM, and won't be filing SCS, without the IAM agreeing, read the Alliance Agreement. Per Tom Regan, who negotiated the alliance.

I read the mou between twu and usair. In return for the 4.3% pay hike, the twu agreed to trigger a scs within 6 months.
That either tells me that these unions are being intellectually dishonest to usair members or that the iam may attempt to conclude section 6 with a sorta mini contract and hope it passes or both unions tecognize section 6 at usair even after scs filing. Im not saying i know which way things are headed but ive leatned that i cant trust any of these unions to necessarily do what it says they will do.

 

[robbedagain]

Tues wed n thur talks in phx good luck to the negotiations

 

[Tim Nelson]

What we do know is that the cwa merger agreement really blowed bigtime and i couldnt believe they would sign that.
And a 500 bonus is absurd in this situation.

 

[robbedagain]

I agree tim. I sure as heck hope we dont get a ual type contract I personally dont think we will

 

[700UW]

Read the agreement, it clearly states both the IAM and TWU will file it jointly when the time comes, not 6 months by the TWU, the IAM will only agree to SCS upon ratification of Section 6 Negotiations for all three groups at US.
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/TWU/Mechanic%20and%20Related%20Association%20Agreement.pdf

 

[blue collar]

I haven't read either agreement, but I gotta wonder- If in the mou it says they (TWU) will file for scs within 6 months, and the alliance agreement says they'll wait- which piece of paper takes precedence?

 

[700UW]

Only the union can file SCS, a d I would think the MOU was changed to reflect that.

 

[rockit2]

Well, today is the big day. Hopefully something good will come out of this session. I for one thinks that we should get some retro due to the fact that the company has stalled us for two years and now all of a sudden they need a deal with us. Maybe we should do to them as they have done to us............let's break off and tell them we'll meet again in six months. Been living on this wage for two years, a little more time won't make a difference now.

 

[700UW]

Why would you wait for six months?
 
Work safe and force the company to the table in good faith.
 
The IAM should sue the NMB to be released.

 

[john john]

Why not have a strike vote ?

 

[700UW]

Why not?
 
Because the NMB hasnt released the IAM into a 30 day cooling off period.
 
It would be a waste of time and money, until a CBA is reached or a 30 day cooling off period starts.

 

[john john]

What we do know is that the cwa merger agreement really blowed bigtime and i couldnt believe they would sign that.
And a 500 bonus is absurd in this situation.

I think CWA leadership got distractive with trying to organize the vote of the combine group. We will see if the leadership and the negotiation committee got the membership message. Hope they don’t take a page out of the IAM playbook and select a few big city’s to protect just to get the votes

 

[blue collar]

Only the union can file SCS, a d I would think the MOU was changed to reflect that.

And if it wasn't changed? Then you have the TWU playing both sides. If the TWU were to file
Scs on their own, would that trigger an election between the two?