Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[john john]

Why not?
 
Because the NMB hasnt released the IAM into a 30 day cooling off period.
 
It would be a waste of time and money, until a CBA is reached or a 30 day cooling off period starts.

That’s right the IAM doesn’t take a strike vote of confidence before being release

 

[Tim Nelson]

Read the agreement, it clearly states both the IAM and TWU will file it jointly when the time comes, not 6 months by the TWU, the IAM will only agree to SCS upon ratification of Section 6 Negotiations for all three groups at US.
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/TWU/Mechanic%20and%20Related%20Association%20Agreement.pdf

imo there is conflict. While i fully agree with u that the twu/iam association pledges a direction that insists on a section 6 contract first and no scs until one is done, the mou that the twu signed with parket is binding and came with a payment. The qui pro quo for the 4.3% was that the twu signed off on filing scs asap but no later than 6 months.
If both legal documents dont conflict then it necessarily means that a ta will be signed sooner than we think or that the twu will file scs but still maintain its position that a sUS contract still has priority. Remember, the association cant come into existence until a scs is triggered as well.
Complicated indeed but if the end is to maintain our current leveraged position then all good.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thats right the IAM doesnt take a strike vote of confidence before being release

I like the action of a strike vote for the purposes of solidarity. A sorta "call to order". A strike vote should have come before the release was filed imo.

 

[rockit2]

Any word leaking out of PHX negotiations?

 

[robbedagain]

i was wondering the same thing too rockit2   at least them donkeys cant tell the iam and the fed negogiator they are not number 5 anymore  or can they...  ho ho ho

 

[cltrat]

700, tell your guys in 142 at Intl here what a great job they are doing here!

 

[700UW]

What are you talking about?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Can anyone confirm that union leaders are down to $22 for top out with a two year detonation date with other perks for management, but the company still said no and only offered $1.25 and full sick pay?
Imo, if this is true then all union leaders should be scolded. Why would the iam come down below what amr will make with its bankrupt contract plus offer up some productivity gains without actually increasing scope beyond dopey detonations?
Thats the rumor out of phl. If we cant incorporate more scope now then we sure as hell wont in transition talks.

 

[cltrat]

I can't see me voting for anything under AA's top out. screw em

 

[mike33]

Can anyone confirm that union leaders are down to $22 for top out with a two year detonation date with other perks for management, but the company still said no and only offered $1.25 and full sick pay?
Imo, if this is true then all union leaders should be scolded. Why would the iam come down below what amr will make with its bankrupt contract plus offer up some productivity gains without actually increasing scope beyond dopey detonations?
Thats the rumor out of phl. If we cant incorporate more scope now then we sure as hell wont in transition talks.

 
 
 I think if we haven't heard from anyone by the end of today that maybe you have good info. I hope not, but lets see if someone gives out info.  I would hope that we walked away from the table all the while knowing that the mediator can't possibly grasp the current negotiations as even somewhat favorable. Hell  "# 1" you arses, Stop stealing from the poor and giving to the Richer!!!!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

I can't see me voting for anything under AA's top out. screw em

Remember, it was usair management that brought amr ramp up to $22.57 at the effective date. That should be the baseline starting point for management at usair. What was bothersome as iam members was the fact that ah told the nmb that the iam was asking for only a ten % increase even though ah didnt see it that way. Union negotiators should have been asking for wages inversely ridiculous as what management was offering. Something is wrong.

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
 
 I think if we haven't heard from anyone by the end of today that maybe you have good info. I hope not, but lets see if someone gives out info.  I would hope that we walked away from the table all the while knowing that the mediator can't possibly grasp the current negotiations as even somewhat favorable. Hell  "# 1" you arses, Stop stealing from the poor and giving to the Richer!!!!!!!!

From negotiations unofficially
Union asked for $21.90 and retro. 1.5% raise in 2014 up to $22.30. Then $23.00 in 2015.
Productivity increases for company whatever that means, full sick pay, and cinderella drop time bomb dates instead of bringing in more scope.
Company offered $21.75 over two years.
Unconfirmed mole

 

[wings396]

Screw that, as you said a penny less than what was given to AA is unacceptable. While full sick pay would be nice, I would rather have better pay NOW.

 

[Kev3188]

From negotiations unofficially
Union asked for $21.90 and retro. 1.5% raise in 2014 up to $22.30. Then $23.00 in 2015.
Productivity increases for company whatever that means, full sick pay, and cinderella drop time bomb dates instead of bringing in more scope.
Company offered $21.75 over two years.
Unconfirmed mole

I get that it's unconfirmed, but was there any mention of what the company was willing to give in return for "productivity increases?"

Time bomb scope= deal breaker.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I get that it's unconfirmed, but was there any mention of what the company was willing to give in return for "productivity increases?"

Time bomb scope= deal breaker.

+1

Time bomb scope is ridiculous and just keeps passing the buck and keeping everything hostage.