Not Getting the 4% Right Away is Actually an Advantage for MX

[OldGuy@AA]

Let me ask you this NYer..Would you be willing to have more fleet service work outsourced and other negative work rule changes just to have this 4%? Another weeks vacation, sick time..holidays? Anything?

No no MM.  The only group that has to take less to keep their numbers is AMTs.  It doesn't matter that we have more fleet service than any other airline,

 

[WeAAsles]

No no MM.  The only group that has to take less to keep their numbers is AMTs.  It doesn't matter that we have more fleet service than any other airline,

And more mechanics by far.

 

[NYer]

Let me ask you this NYer..Would you be willing to have more fleet service work outsourced and other negative work rule changes just to have this 4%? Another weeks vacation, sick time..holidays? Anything?

 
Willing? No.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Willing? No.

Good to hear. Because I have a funny feeling that when our negotiations begin, we ALL may have to give something up in return for an industry leading contract..

 

[NYer]

Good to hear. Because I have a funny feeling that when our negotiations begin, we ALL may have to give something up in return for an industry leading contract..

 
That's been the unfortunate process since deregulation.
 
My concern is that preparations for negotiations is not being addressed and when we do get the green light to start negotiations we won't be ready. If we're not ready there is a higher likelihood we can miss an opportunity.
 
Until we get into negotiations we won't know if there will be a premium they're willing to pay to get a JCBA before or close to them being granted the Single Operators' Certificate.
 
Many of the maintenance leaders like to have drawn out negotiations and in a situation where it is a Section 6 scenario a lethargic march towards a JCBA can only continue to hurt the current wages.

 

[MetalMover]

 
That's been the unfortunate process since deregulation.
 
My concern is that preparations for negotiations is not being addressed and when we do get the green light to start negotiations we won't be ready. If we're not ready there is a higher likelihood we can miss an opportunity.
 
Until we get into negotiations we won't know if there will be a premium they're willing to pay to get a JCBA before or close to them being granted the Single Operators' Certificate.
 
Many of the maintenance leaders like to have drawn out negotiations and in a situation where it is a Section 6 scenario a lethargic march towards a JCBA can only continue to hurt the current wages.

The one thing that most people need to understand is that there are way more facts to the maintenance group. More than any other work group. Pilots have one function and this is to fly the aircraft. FA's have one function and that is safety and comfort of the passenger. Nothing more nothing less. Fleet service have a few facets.....receive and dispatch, deicing and unloading and loading of aircraft. Now let's get to maintenance group...we have line maintenance, overhaul mechanics, component shop mechanics, engine shop mechanics, dozens of specialty shops which require certain certifications. Now take these areas of maintenance when it comes to license pay....some get paid for both licenses, some areas just one. Then within the overhaul sector, there are unique work rules....different rules for shops, different rules for line maintenance. There is no overhaul or shop fleet service, no overhaul or shop  pilots and no overhaul or shop  flight attendants. Hell, there was even division against the line mechanics getting GEO pay. Not just by OH but MIA who would not get as much as NY.........The TWU dropped it like i nuclear spent rod.
Add all of this up to the fact that we are STILL at the bottom of industry pay...Do you really want us to stay with the TWU and a bs alliance after they have treated us like true minorities for decades?

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

 
That's been the unfortunate process since deregulation.
 
My concern is that preparations for negotiations is not being addressed and when we do get the green light to start negotiations we won't be ready. If we're not ready there is a higher likelihood we can miss an opportunity.
 
Until we get into negotiations we won't know if there will be a premium they're willing to pay to get a JCBA before or close to them being granted the Single Operators' Certificate.
 
Many of the maintenance leaders like to have drawn out negotiations and in a situation where it is a Section 6 scenario a lethargic march towards a JCBA can only continue to hurt the current wages.

The twu will never negotiate a premium history has proven they will get what the company gives them no more

 

[NYer]

The twu will never negotiate a premium history has proven they will get what the company gives them no more

 
Then if we're resigned to that "fact," why argue all the time.

 

[NYer]

The one thing that most people need to understand is that there are way more facts to the maintenance group. More than any other work group. Pilots have one function and this is to fly the aircraft. FA's have one function and that is safety and comfort of the passenger. Nothing more nothing less. Fleet service have a few facets.....receive and dispatch, deicing and unloading and loading of aircraft. Now let's get to maintenance group...we have line maintenance, overhaul mechanics, component shop mechanics, engine shop mechanics, dozens of specialty shops which require certain certifications. Now take these areas of maintenance when it comes to license pay....some get paid for both licenses, some areas just one. Then within the overhaul sector, there are unique work rules....different rules for shops, different rules for line maintenance. There is no overhaul or shop fleet service, no overhaul or shop  pilots and no overhaul or shop  flight attendants. Hell, there was even division against the line mechanics getting GEO pay. Not just by OH but MIA who would not get as much as NY.........The TWU dropped it like i nuclear spent rod.
Add all of this up to the fact that we are STILL at the bottom of industry pay...Do you really want us to stay with the TWU and a bs alliance after they have treated us like true minorities for decades? So, to be clear...It seems you don't want the TWU, the Association or the IAM?

 

[MetalMover]

 
Then if we're resigned to that "fact," why argue all the time.

NYer, the only thing the TWU ever was the best at was recommending sub standard contracts while promising that NO jobs would be lost. They were at the sunset of transferring mechanic work to fleet service. They started the B scale, then later on the C scale was incarnated as a result. They have never negotiated a contract where we were at the top of the industry. Luckily for you in fleet service, they took care of you people.

 

[MetalMover]

 

The one thing that most people need to understand is that there are way more facts to the maintenance group. More than any other work group. Pilots have one function and this is to fly the aircraft. FA's have one function and that is safety and comfort of the passenger. Nothing more nothing less. Fleet service have a few facets.....receive and dispatch, deicing and unloading and loading of aircraft. Now let's get to maintenance group...we have line maintenance, overhaul mechanics, component shop mechanics, engine shop mechanics, dozens of specialty shops which require certain certifications. Now take these areas of maintenance when it comes to license pay....some get paid for both licenses, some areas just one. Then within the overhaul sector, there are unique work rules....different rules for shops, different rules for line maintenance. There is no overhaul or shop fleet service, no overhaul or shop  pilots and no overhaul or shop  flight attendants. Hell, there was even division against the line mechanics getting GEO pay. Not just by OH but MIA who would not get as much as NY.........The TWU dropped it like i nuclear spent rod.
Add all of this up to the fact that we are STILL at the bottom of industry pay...Do you really want us to stay with the TWU and a bs alliance after they have treated us like true minorities for decades? So, to be clear...It seems you don't want the TWU, the Association or the IAM?

 

To be clear I do not want the TWU, the alliance or the IAM.....Having said this, I do believe that there should be a vote between the TWU, IAM and "OTHER" if enough of "other" cards are collected. I am so anti alliance that I believe they should not have succumbed to the AFL-CIO's Trumka request to "share" us and should have just said no to him. they should have just agreed to go with the larger union as the pilots and FA's did. Then I would still continue to push and support for a change of representation,
Two unions sharing members and having them subject to different polices depending on location? Cmon, NYer, this alliance is going to be disastrous for all of us.

 

[NYer]

NYer, the only thing the TWU ever was the best at was recommending sub standard contracts while promising that NO jobs would be lost. They were at the sunset of transferring mechanic work to fleet service. They started the B scale, then later on the C scale was incarnated as a result. They have never negotiated a contract where we were at the top of the industry. Luckily for you in fleet service, they took care of you people.

 
So start a card drive for the Teamsters, the have the highest mechanics' pay. According to some current TWU leadership that's the target a 40% raise to match UPS. Go for it.

 

[Vortilon]

Ideally, The NMB produces a ballot with the TWU, IAM, and the "Write In".  Then, the top two vote getters go into a run off.  That would be the TWU and the AMFA.  Then it's goodbye TWU.

 

[NYer]

To be clear I do not want the TWU, the alliance or the IAM.....Having said this, I do believe that there should be a vote between the TWU, IAM and "OTHER" if enough of "other" cards are collected. I am so anti alliance that I believe they should not have succumbed to the AFL-CIO's Trumka request to "share" us and should have just said no to him. they should have just agreed to go with the larger union as the pilots and FA's did. Then I would still continue to push and support for a change of representation,
Two unions sharing members and having them subject to different polices depending on location? Cmon, NYer, this alliance is going to be disastrous for all of us.

 
Apparently Metal, in your opinion, the Association, the TWU, the IAM and the AFL-CIO are not to be supported...therefore, no matter what happens you'd be upset and calling for change.
 
Do you know what that makes you? Irrelevant. You're going to be anti-whatever, so why even listen to your contradictory arguments.

 

[MetalMover]

 
So start a card drive for the Teamsters, the have the highest mechanics' pay. According to some current TWU leadership that's the target a 40% raise to match UPS. Go for it.

I suspect the "leadership" you are referring to over and over again is Bob Owens.  Last time I checked he is only the treasurer. 
I would think that fleet service would be happy to rid themselves of the mechanic group.