Not Getting the 4% Right Away is Actually an Advantage for MX

[Vortilon]

Wow, one guru says less than 7000, and you claim less than 50%. Interesting because I am quite close to one of the AMFA organizers who won't even tell me how many cards. But yet a fleet service clerk who just happens to be anti AMFA, pro TWU and Pro Alliance has the inside scoop...

 
 
Right....

 

[chellow]

Can some one please close this topic, every time I see it, it makes me really sick. I can't believe some one really thinks like this.

 

[MetalMover]

Can some one please close this topic, every time I see it, it makes me really sick. I can't believe some one really thinks like this.

Believe it.. Since they are fleet service near top of the industry in pay, what else would you expect them to do but LOVE the TWU?

 

[Bob Owens]

Apparently less than 7,000.

Apparently more than the IAM.

 

[swamt]

 
 
 
You guys don't want the Teamsters? They should be well coveted, shouldn't they?

NOPE!!!  Not a chance. We fired them in a record 2 week card drive,  seeee ya teamsters...

 

[swamt]

 
Yes, I know a rough estimate of how many cards they have.......less than 50%.

That is not a correct statement.
 

Apparently less than 7,000.

I believe that is a correct statement.  

 

[swamt]

 
 
 
You guys don't want the Teamsters? They should be well coveted, shouldn't they?

No FREAKIN way. Maybe in your mind.
Here's a very good reason why AA doesn't want them, SWA doesn't want them, and UAL is currently trying to fire.  When someone can do this after a 92% NO vote is beyond me:
 
http://www.tdu.org/n...impose-ups-deal
 
 

Hoffa and Hall Secretly Changed Constitution to Impose UPS Deal


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May 7, 2014: Hoffa and Hall have finally revealed how they secretly changed the Teamster Constitution to impose the UPS contract over No Votes by the members.
Under the IBT Constitution, Teamster members have the Right to Vote on our contract supplements and riders. National contracts can’t go into effect until all supplements and riders are approved.
But last month, Hoffa and Hall imposed the UPS contract even though members had overwhelmingly rejected the supplements in Louisville, Philadelphia, and Western PA.
The No Vote in Louisville was 94 percent. How did Hoffa and Hall turn that into a ratified contract?
TDU had previously reported the danger that Hoffa and Hall could amend the IBT Constitution to impose the contract. Now TDU members have forced Hoffa and Hall to reveal that they did just that.
Normally, the Constitution can only be amended by the Teamster Convention. But Article XII, Section 6, has a little-known clause allowing the General Executive Board to amend Article XII on contract votes.
The GEB invoked this dangerous clause to insert new language in the Constitution that allows the negotiating committee to “declare the master agreement and all supplements and riders to be in effect” when members Vote No on their supplement because of a provision in the national agreement.
Hoffa and Hall had to lie to apply this clause to the Louisville Air Supplement, because critical local issues were on the table, in that case, and because the company had actually made their “final” offer worse than their earlier offer.
The blame for the nearly year-long delay in bargaining lies with Ken Hall. When the members rejected a record 18 supplements and riders last June, Hall was handed the bargaining power to straighten out some important issues, and get the contract approved. Instead he played footsie with the company for ten months, to discourage members.
TDU members, via letters to Ken Hall, invoked their right under federal law to a complete copy of their union constitution.
Following those letters to Ken Hall, the International made public the GEB resolution and the amendment to the constitution.
 

 

[NYer]

 
No FREAKIN way. Maybe in your mind.
Here's a very good reason why AA doesn't want them, SWA doesn't want them, and UAL is currently trying to fire.  When someone can do this after a 92% NO vote is beyond me:
 
http://www.tdu.org/n...impose-ups-deal
 
 
Hoffa and Hall Secretly Changed Constitution to Impose UPS Deal
 

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May 7, 2014: Hoffa and Hall have finally revealed how they secretly changed the Teamster Constitution to impose the UPS contract over No Votes by the members.
Under the IBT Constitution, Teamster members have the Right to Vote on our contract supplements and riders. National contracts can’t go into effect until all supplements and riders are approved.
But last month, Hoffa and Hall imposed the UPS contract even though members had overwhelmingly rejected the supplements in Louisville, Philadelphia, and Western PA.
The No Vote in Louisville was 94 percent. How did Hoffa and Hall turn that into a ratified contract?
TDU had previously reported the danger that Hoffa and Hall could amend the IBT Constitution to impose the contract. Now TDU members have forced Hoffa and Hall to reveal that they did just that.
Normally, the Constitution can only be amended by the Teamster Convention. But Article XII, Section 6, has a little-known clause allowing the General Executive Board to amend Article XII on contract votes.
The GEB invoked this dangerous clause to insert new language in the Constitution that allows the negotiating committee to “declare the master agreement and all supplements and riders to be in effect” when members Vote No on their supplement because of a provision in the national agreement.
Hoffa and Hall had to lie to apply this clause to the Louisville Air Supplement, because critical local issues were on the table, in that case, and because the company had actually made their “final” offer worse than their earlier offer.
The blame for the nearly year-long delay in bargaining lies with Ken Hall. When the members rejected a record 18 supplements and riders last June, Hall was handed the bargaining power to straighten out some important issues, and get the contract approved. Instead he played footsie with the company for ten months, to discourage members.
TDU members, via letters to Ken Hall, invoked their right under federal law to a complete copy of their union constitution.
Following those letters to Ken Hall, the International made public the GEB resolution and the amendment to the constitution.
 



 

 
Well, I just bring up the IBT because there are leaders that believe they should be shooting for UPS rates and the TWU won't take us there. Since there is only one work force at that range it seemed logical to go with that choice, the IBT.

 

[swamt]

 
Well, I just bring up the IBT because there are leaders that believe they should be shooting for UPS rates and the TWU won't take us there. Since there is only one work force at that range it seemed logical to go with that choice, the IBT.

Understand.  There are more than just what I posted, but will not go into it in this thread...

 

[enough already]

http://twu514.org/files/2015/01/Ltr-to-R-Isom-Re-Wage-Increase-01122015-docx.pdf