Not Getting the 4% Right Away is Actually an Advantage for MX

[MetalMover]

Another factor may have been that Little may not have been confident that his members wouldn't sign IAM cards. 

Or maybe a final parting shot from Little as he rides off into the sunset.

 

[Bob Owens]

Or maybe a final parting shot from Little as he rides off into the sunset.

I dont think Little saw what was coming at that point. We was still trying to secure another term. 

 

[Rogallo]

Yet there are those who want this BS alliance. 

 
You can't fix stupid!

 

[NYer]

Exactly, so you'll just have to put up with my anti TWU stance. 

 
Never told you to stop. That's your opinion.

 

[NYer]

 
 
NMB has never dealt with a case like this, where no vote by the membership was taken - to approve the JCBA as our representative.  Now, 21 weeks later, the NMB is still trying to come up with a legit excuse to use to screw the AA AMTs again. 

 
The NMB is also after the mechanics, huh.

 

[NYer]

Ok so a group known as the Association applied for SOC, where is the showing of interest? I never saw any cards being passed around for an Association nor was there an internal vote like with the IBT/CWA deal. 

 
The NMB accepted the application, so I guess cards weren't needed, especially since the two unions agreed to the Association.

 

[MetalMover]

 
The NMB accepted the application, so I guess cards weren't needed, especially since the two unions agreed to the Association.

Without asking the members.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Without asking the members.

Yup.  No excuse for this.

 

[Vortilon]

 
The NMB accepted the application, so I guess cards weren't needed, especially since the two unions agreed to the Association.

 
 
The two unions you say?  Just who is the union, in your opinion?  Is it some sawed off putz like Jim Little, or would it be the membership?

 

[MetalMover]

 
 
The two unions you say?  Just who is the union, in your opinion?  Is it some sawed off putz like Jim Little, or would it be the membership?

It was Little and Buffy....I didn't have a say. They went and got engaged and now they hope the family approves when a vote comes.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Yet there are those who want this BS alliance.

I honestly don't know anybody that wants it.

 

[MetalMover]

I honestly don't know anybody that wants it.

Neither do I except Nyer and WeAAsles and couple of others ON THIS forum.....But then again they are in a different work group which has done quite well by the TWU considering they are  near the top of industry.
Nobody I know personally in m&e wants it. I know of no facilities, automotive and YES fleet service person who wants it. 
But according to NYer the majority wants it because there has been no "reaction" to it. The vote will be the reaction.
But let us be clear, if the ballot choice is between the ALLIANCE and NO UNION.....Obviously the alliance will be certified. But if the choice is ALLIANCE, NO UNION , and OTHER..well, that changes the game substantially and that's what makes the pro alliance types nervous.

 

[WeAAsles]

Neither do I except Nyer and WeAAsles and couple of others ON THIS forum.....But then again they are in a different work group which has done quite well by the TWU considering they are  near the top of industry.
Nobody I know personally in m&e wants it. I know of no facilities, automotive and YES fleet service person who wants it. 
But according to NYer the majority wants it because there has been no "reaction" to it. The vote will be the reaction.
But let us be clear, if the ballot choice is between the ALLIANCE and NO UNION.....Obviously the alliance will be certified. But if the choice is ALLIANCE, NO UNION , and OTHER..well, that changes the game substantially and that's what makes the pro alliance types nervous.

If we get to vote you will have the opportunity to write in a choice that you want. People historically though would pick a name over a line that says other though. It's just how people are. That's also why the process calls for 30 days for an intervenor.

I'm not nervous in any way shape or form over the "other" line. That line still means we have a Union and are organized. Be that whatever you want? It's the "No Union" line I don't want sitting on my desk that I would spit on before ever choosing.

The thing I don't like about the association is the "System Ratio" language. That's purely about one organization not losing out on dues to another. I see no other use for that language? Harry Lombardo and his officers wanted to discuss that issue from day 1 of taking office and from what I understand I believe had a meeting with Tom Buffenbarger a few weeks ago to discuss that issue and two others? Hopefully we'll know how that turned out very soon? "signed agreement or not"

Sorry it bothers you but I can see benefits to an association with the IAM, especially since they represent so many groups in our industry. There should be strength in numbers don't you think?

Now back to that write in option. You're so sure that the IAM would lose because we're bigger. I don't think you know what you're talking about. I watched those guys vote on their TA and in their District elections. The turnout to vote was massive. "THOSE PEOPLE VOTE" Our people on the other hand you're lucky if you even get close to half that are active. You know the vote numbers for the BK contract, and local election votes are a complete joke. Those ballots are even mailed to our houses and people ignore them. The IAM elections you had to travel to vote and the turnout again one more time was massive.

Forget your AMFA initiative if it was down to a vote between the TWU and the IAM I'm not so sure you're going to like the outcome.

 

[MetalMover]

If we get to vote you will have the opportunity to write in a choice that you want. People historically though would pick a name over a line that says other though. It's just how people are. That's also why the process calls for 30 days for an intervenor. well since the fleet service group is happy with the TWU, this might only apply to them.

I'm not nervous in any way shape or form over the "other" line. That line still means we have a Union and are organized. Be that whatever you want? It's the "No Union" line I don't want sitting on my desk that I would spit on before ever choosing. Ask many a mechanic, and he/she will tell you, they have not fared too well under the TWU compared to our peers...But Fleet service has, so I understand your position.

The thing I don't like about the association is the "System Ratio" language. That's purely about one organization not losing out on dues to another. I see no other use for that language? Harry Lombardo and his officers wanted to discuss that issue from day 1 of taking office and from what I understand I believe had a meeting with Tom Buffenbarger a few weeks ago to discuss that issue and two others? Hopefully we'll know how that turned out very soon? "signed agreement or not" How do you feel about the TWU having given up system and even station protection while the iAM HAS IT? Does this sit well with you?
 
Sorry it bothers you but I can see benefits to an association with the IAM, especially since they represent so many groups in our industry. There should be strength in numbers don't you think? I disagree. How has strength in numbers worked for us with the TWU having the worst contract in the industry? Again I allude to the fact that the IAM has protection and the TWU doesn't?

Now back to that write in option. You're so sure that the IAM would lose because we're bigger. I don't think you know what you're talking about. I watched those guys vote on their TA and in their District elections. The turnout to vote was massive. "THOSE PEOPLE VOTE" Our people on the other hand you're lucky if you even get close to half that are active. You know the vote numbers for the BK contract, and local election votes are a complete joke. Those ballots are even mailed to our houses and people ignore them. The IAM elections you had to travel to vote and the turnout again one more time was massive. I do not want to jump from the frying pan into the fire. 

Forget your AMFA initiative if it was down to a vote between the TWU and the IAM I'm not so sure you're going to like the outcome. Maybe not, but a three way will force run off between the TWU and AMFA

 

[Vortilon]

If we get to vote you will have the opportunity to write in a choice that you want. People historically though would pick a name over a line that says other though. It's just how people are. That's also why the process calls for 30 days for an intervenor.

I'm not nervous in any way shape or form over the "other" line. That line still means we have a Union and are organized. Be that whatever you want? It's the "No Union" line I don't want sitting on my desk that I would spit on before ever choosing.

The thing I don't like about the association is the "System Ratio" language. That's purely about one organization not losing out on dues to another. I see no other use for that language? Harry Lombardo and his officers wanted to discuss that issue from day 1 of taking office and from what I understand I believe had a meeting with Tom Buffenbarger a few weeks ago to discuss that issue and two others? Hopefully we'll know how that turned out very soon? "signed agreement or not"

Sorry it bothers you but I can see benefits to an association with the IAM, especially since they represent so many groups in our industry. There should be strength in numbers don't you think?

Now back to that write in option. You're so sure that the IAM would lose because we're bigger. I don't think you know what you're talking about. I watched those guys vote on their TA and in their District elections. The turnout to vote was massive. "THOSE PEOPLE VOTE" Our people on the other hand you're lucky if you even get close to half that are active. You know the vote numbers for the BK contract, and local election votes are a complete joke. Those ballots are even mailed to our houses and people ignore them. The IAM elections you had to travel to vote and the turnout again one more time was massive.

Forget your AMFA initiative if it was down to a vote between the TWU and the IAM I'm not so sure you're going to like the outcome.

 
 
Those people vote?  That's funny.  Are you forgetting that the US Air / America West merger wasn't that long ago or should I say IAM/Teamsters?  What I'm illuding to is the fact that there are plenty of former IBT members not sold on the IAM, let alone the IAM members that can't wait to get out of the IAM.  So let them vote.
 
The last two AMFA card drives at AA only fell short by a few cards.  There is no way in hell the TWU or the IAM could get that amount of cards signed by AA AMTs.  So if the NMB comes back with a ballot that has a write in option, I see AMFA being wrote in, and ultimately receiving more votes than any of the other wrong choices.