New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

Frank Szabo said:
To our darling Overspeed:

A bottom line here is the statement Parker made re: keeping TULE Overhaul open for 2 years post-merger. Coupling that with the new aircraft (and the attendent "maintenance holiday") plus the simple fact no tooling requests for the new engines/equipment were making their way through TULE Tool & Die (where I spent 22 years), I began to see plainly what the "vision of Dougie and Tommy" was all about.

One needn't put a name to the "Overspeed" character - it doesn't matter who you really are. One must realize your function is to not refute the obvious, but to simply create doubt and fear amongst the troops. Someone doing this in a combat situation would have been fragged by now.

No threats - just a statement of fact - shut your cockholster and go away.
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Funny how Overspeed disappeared for a while but just a few days into the Convention, after the Santos Emails started revealing how things were going that he all of a sudden reappeared. Did Don get word that he may be staying?
 
swamt said:
I would take AMFA's contract over any contract out there. If you guys had AMFA's contract there would be nobody on furlough. We have told you and told you Overspeed, we don't give 2-$hits about our headcount per A/C. Matter fact; one of the main reasons SWA has NEVER laid off an employee, not just mechanics mind you, ANY employee is directly tied to the number of employees we have to the number of aircraft we have. Now how many times has the TWU and AA laid off employees?? For freakin decades upon decades. I will take the job security over more mechanics per A/C. And why is it you brag sooooo much about AA's mechanic to A/C ratio? What does this wonderful and fantastic rating mean?? What does it do for the membership as a whole??? Does it save jobs???? NO it does not. Matter fact I will tell you exactly why you have a larger headcount per A/C and why the union wants it so bad. Number one reason is tied directly to the dues that the TWU collect from them, then the union loves the extra headcount for when AA does another lay-off's and rif's. Quit your lies Overspeed; AMFA never agreed to more outsourcing, AMFA inherited (as you state yourself with extensions) the terrible ibt contract that ALLOWED the overseas outsourcing, what AMFA has done was gone in and put stipulations and restrictions in place to help control the max allowed. This was not in place while the teamsters were here and SWA could have ran 20 lines in Aeroman, instead they are now restricted to only 4. The 4 that were removed from a USA vendor that SWA was unhappy with, therefore nothing was added, they were just relocated, except, that the ibt language allowed them to go out of the country. Let's not forget how SWA also put maint in Canada under the teamsters (ibt) language as well. It has never been an AMFA agreement as you are trying to make it look like. Keep posting Overspeed your doing great!!!
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Read:

Under agreements with its Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), Southwest on Wednesday flew its first 737 to Aeroman, an El Salvador-based maintenance, repair and overhaul facility. The MRO is at El Salvador International Airport, outside the capital of San Salvador

http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=20090703_45_e1_southw927611
 
Thomas Paine said:
Funny how Overspeed disappeared for a while but just a few days into the Convention, after the Santos Emails started revealing how things were going that he all of a sudden reappeared. Did Don get word that he may be staying?
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No I was basking in the afterglow of another AMFA organizing failure.
 
the facts do not agree with your assertion. You were quite active when the IBT filed, blocking AMFA from filing several months ago, were active when the IBT announced they were backing off, you only went dark after Little announced he was dropping out and Lombardo became heir apparent, then two days into the Convention you became active again. Nothing apparently has changed with the status of AMFA. As in most other things you post I believe that you are lying.
 
Overspeed said:
Read:

Under agreements with its Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), Southwest on Wednesday flew its first 737 to Aeroman, an El Salvador-based maintenance, repair and overhaul facility. The MRO is at El Salvador International Airport, outside the capital of San Salvador

http://www.tulsaworl...e1_southw927611
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http://www.nbcdfw.co...-169406676.html


"Workers at the American Airlines maintenance base at Fort Worth's Alliance Airport say they are angry after learning that many of their jobs will be outsourced -- to Hong Kong.

"This is the result of corporate greed," said Larry Pike, president of the local Transport Workers Union."

Oh the jobs came from AFW, so that's OK according to you right, as long as they didn't come from Tulsa everything is AA-OK.


SWA amt, how much line maintenance can/does SWA outsource overseas?
 
Overspeed said:
No I was basking in the afterglow of another AMFA organizing failure.
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And yet you keep ignoring the fact that concessions in the profession are devastating and nothing more than a path to failure. Concessions to keep overhaul is not success, it just a different path of failure than some other unions have chose to take. You seem to accept that concessions for jobs, is success, and worthy of praise. In my view all unions that represent AMT's are failing to succeed. Meanwhile, we all compare losses of others unions and only compare on a selfish and personal level instead of looking at the profession as a whole, and then depending on our status within the personal agenda philosophy, we pretend as if change is not the correct choice and blame each or some other union . I think something needs to change, because the profession is going down the tubes. You advocate more of the same and offer nothing different. Why not advocate some different path for a change? Maybe we should all consider stop blaming, stop fighting each other, stop the reliance on politics and elite politicians of both parties, and actually stick together and take meaningful action and make "strength in numbers" become more than just a slogan!! Only then, will reversal of destruction change.
 
TWU informer said:
And yet you keep ignoring the fact that concessions in the profession are devastating and nothing more than a path to failure. Concessions to keep overhaul is not success, it just a different path of failure than some other unions have chose to take. You seem to accept that concessions for jobs, is success, and worthy of praise. In my view all unions that represent AMT's are failing to succeed. Meanwhile, we all compare losses of others unions and only compare on a selfish and personal level instead of looking at the profession as a whole, and then depending on our status within the personal agenda philosophy, we pretend as if change is not the correct choice and blame each or some other union . I think something needs to change, because the profession is going down the tubes. You advocate more of the same and offer nothing different. Why not advocate some different path for a change? Maybe we should all consider stop blaming, stop fighting each other, stop the reliance on politics and elite politicians of both parties, and actually stick together and take meaningful action and make "strength in numbers" become more than just a slogan!! Only then, will reversal of destruction change.
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So AMFA has not stopped the overhaul outsourcing and you claim the TWU will ultimately represent no overhaul mechanics as well. Now what? Give up?
 
Thomas Paine said:
http://www.nbcdfw.co...-169406676.html


"Workers at the American Airlines maintenance base at Fort Worth's Alliance Airport say they are angry after learning that many of their jobs will be outsourced -- to Hong Kong.

"This is the result of corporate greed," said Larry Pike, president of the local Transport Workers Union."

Oh the jobs came from AFW, so that's OK according to you right, as long as they didn't come from Tulsa everything is AA-OK.


SWA amt, how much line maintenance can/does SWA outsource overseas?
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Nope. Outsourcing is not okay. AA outsources about 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, far less that 300 to 400 worth plus all the engines at SWA under the AMFA contract.

The point was swamt said that AMFA never agreed to outsourcing to Aeroman. And all outsourced while the company was making record profits and not in BK. AMFA really took SWA management to the mat didn't they?
 
Is it the AMFA contract or the extension of the IBT contract . Depending on the argument you use both, just wondering
 
Overspeed said:
. Now what? Give up?
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That's what we have been doing, giving up. Giving up pay, giving up benefits, giving up work rules, and yes giving up as many jobs as AA wanted, 7000 and counting. You come here and claim that we saved jobs because we did not give AA as many jobs as they asked for, but just because they ask for something that doesnt mean they really want that, like in 2001 when the negotiating committee called their bluff and said take the jobs only to see AA admit that they really didn't want the jobs, they wanted the concessions and would take the jobs as they wished over time. How about fighting instead? We had the opportunity but Videtich blew it. If we had fought AA did not, could not have prepared for a strike at that time. Once again we gave AA all the concessions they want and the time to eliminate jobs at their leisure. Will all OH go away? No, it didn't all go away at Delta or United either and both are bringing work back in house as MRO costs rise and quality lags. We should have fought,
 
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