New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

So AMFA has not stopped the overhaul outsourcing and you claim the TWU will ultimately represent no overhaul mechanics as well. Now what? Give up?
NOW What?..... would be to get all AMT's into one craft union and stick together instead of blame and fight each other and stop reliance and blaming politicians because we have not the balls to really stand and fight. But that would require the unelected and appointed industrial scam artist, to give up their personal agenda's, money, and worthless sloganism, that they call unionism.
 
Is it the AMFA contract or the extension of the IBT contract . Depending on the argument you use both, just wondering
No. The IBT contract gave SWA that top wages they now enjoy and AMFA has kept extending it while giving away more overhaul work. Per the contract language added by AMFA they only added one line after going over 622 aircraft and allowed SWA to send work to Aeroman.

Yes it's both but the same argument. AMFA sucks.
 
No. The IBT contract gave SWA that top wages they now enjoy and AMFA has kept extending it while giving away more overhaul work. Per the contract language added by AMFA they only added one line after going over 622 aircraft and allowed SWA to send work to Aeroman.

Yes it's both but the same argument. AMFA sucks.

Says a lot about your union when one of their most vocal supporters (you) talk about doing ok because the OT is flowing like water, while your coworkers are on the street.
 
All will have to come to grips with the reality AA is looking for a way to dump overhaul as it is presently and, at best, spin it off as an entity the management needn't deal with as they must now being under the RLA.

Parker promised the TULE base would remain for 2 years - I believe that to be a "drop-dead" date. As of the date I retired from AA (15 November 2012), I was not aware of any tooling coming through to be built for the new aircraft engines (not to say I knew all).

Yes - there will be a "maintenance holiday" because of the new a/c not needing scheduled maintenance but the preparations usually begin for said work long before the first intro date. One would expect to see this prep because of the major differences in the NG engines from the older technology - ie, the "Blisk" design and the geaedr-fan design.

Having spent 22 years in AA's TULE Tool & Die Shop, I'm sure there would have been just a few measely hints of future activity, were that the intent of Centrepork.

An unfortunate fact is no representative/union, regardless of supposed "strength", is able to head off this type of corporate decision as it's financially based. With Aeroman and others charging so little and not subject to FAA oversight (unless proper notice of an audit is provided, allowing the company in question the clean up their act and paint the walls), USA based maintenance, regardless of its quality, is nothing but a liabilty to the airlines.

Consider - the airlines don't care whether or not the maintenance is done correctly or not - we've seen examples of that in the news on occasion. They (and the FAA) only care about the paperwork being correct regardless of the work's quality.

What I feel the AA mechs and related are dealing with is two or three "representative" outfits trying to get a final slice of whatever pie is remaining for themselves at the workers' (as always) expense.

Be aware and act accordingly, boys and girls.
 
Read:

Under agreements with its Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), Southwest on Wednesday flew its first 737 to Aeroman, an El Salvador-based maintenance, repair and overhaul facility. The MRO is at El Salvador International Airport, outside the capital of San Salvador

http://www.tulsaworl...e1_southw927611
As previously stated, this was after AMFA nego the restrictions added to the wide open contract the ibt left AMFA with. SWA could have sent as many lines that they wanted too. And trust me, they wanted more lines to go but AMFA wouldn't allow more than the 4 that were relocated from the US vendor. This is a prime example of what you will do when AMFA takes over at AA. Under the current (agreed to, and selling to the members) contract the TWU nego and agreed to the concessions, when AMFA takes over they will get blamed for it. Case and point at SWA; ibt contract language allowed for "unlimited" outsourcing out of the US, AMFA took over (with said contract language ALREADY in place by the ibt) and here you are blaming AMFA for it. What you fail to realize is when AMFA did take over, they saw this tremendous gaping hole in our contract and was able to nego the restrictions that are now in place. Hence the para you see in the contract above. Nice try Overspeed-- not going to work. Again you need to gather all the facts prior to posting. You have no clue who owns what in our contract, is was all inherited from the ibt, and AMFA has been and still is filling holes left behind from the ibt--FACT!!!
 
http://www.nbcdfw.co...-169406676.html


"Workers at the American Airlines maintenance base at Fort Worth's Alliance Airport say they are angry after learning that many of their jobs will be outsourced -- to Hong Kong.

"This is the result of corporate greed," said Larry Pike, president of the local Transport Workers Union."

Oh the jobs came from AFW, so that's OK according to you right, as long as they didn't come from Tulsa everything is AA-OK.


SWA amt, how much line maintenance can/does SWA outsource overseas?
4 and only 4 that were relocated from a US vendor SWA was not happy with. They are restricted to 4 and they also have to have continuation agreement each contract to continue.
 
Nope. Outsourcing is not okay. AA outsources about 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, far less that 300 to 400 worth plus all the engines at SWA under the AMFA contract.

The point was swamt said that AMFA never agreed to outsourcing to Aeroman. And all outsourced while the company was making record profits and not in BK. AMFA really took SWA management to the mat didn't they?
There you go again twisting words. I said "AMFA has NEVER agreed to MORE outsourcing" AMFA had no choice but to agree to the outsourcing to Aeroman due too the ibt language, at least they were able to nego restrictions and limitations as the ibt left it wide freakin open. These were 4 lines relocated from US vendor, not "more" added outsourcing. SWA always has been the same % of outsourcing and always will be.
 
Is it the AMFA contract or the extension of the IBT contract . Depending on the argument you use both, just wondering
Overspeed will use either way it makes him, TWU look better, or he will twist it up to try and make AMFA look worse. In other words, which ever way works to his favor at the time and makes his argument look relative.
 
No. The IBT contract gave SWA that top wages they now enjoy and AMFA has kept extending it while giving away more overhaul work. Per the contract language added by AMFA they only added one line after going over 622 aircraft and allowed SWA to send work to Aeroman.

Yes it's both but the same argument. AMFA sucks.
ibt contract with raises were directly tide to NWA AMFA contract nego wages. AMFA did extend a couple times thru the hard times of 9-11, but also has had full sec 6 nego's and is currently in sec 6 again. Since AMFA has been at SWA they have doubled what the ibt had to 4 lines of heavy maint, added mod lines and "C" check lines. Adding mod line in ATL as well as "C" check lines in ALT or MCO. And yet again AMFA never agreed to outsource more maint than the ibt language allowed and already in place. Keep posting and repeating your lies, maybe, just maybe someone out here will bite. Your a very confused man Overspeed.
 
NOW What?..... would be to get all AMT's into one craft union and stick together instead of blame and fight each other and stop reliance and blaming politicians because we have not the balls to really stand and fight. But that would require the unelected and appointed industrial scam artist, to give up their personal agenda's, money, and worthless sloganism, that they call unionism.
You forgot the A-5 passes and the pensions based on the salary reported by the Union.
 
4 and only 4 that were relocated from a US vendor SWA was not happy with. They are restricted to 4 and they also have to have continuation agreement each contract to continue.
All that fuss over 4 checks done overseas? Hey Overspeed how many checks is AA sending overseas?
 
Yes the A-5 passes for the union international officers and their families on business or pleasure. Oh, the lovely we saved your pension from the PBGC. Yup thats right the pension based on union and company salary was the ONLY reason they fought like hell.
Other than that they saved jobs.
 
No. The IBT contract gave SWA that top wages they now enjoy and AMFA has kept extending it while giving away more overhaul work. Per the contract language added by AMFA they only added one line after going over 622 aircraft and allowed SWA to send work to Aeroman.

Yes it's both but the same argument. AMFA sucks.
Ok they "extended it" (aren't all contracts under the RLA extended?) and continued to get raises with Zero Layoffs, zero loss of benefits(actually increased their 401K to more than double ours) Zero Holiday losses, Zero sick time losses, zero Vacation losses, brought more work in house and they "suck". We took massive paycuts, in fact ten years after the fact our hourly wages are still $2/hr less than they were then (Over $10/hr less than their sucky contract), massive benefit losses, massive work rule changes, massive layoffs and increased outsourcing and have no caps on how much of the outsourced work can be sent overseas, so what word best describes us?
 
NO Overspeed, AMFA does not suck, It scares the hell out of you. Gee what a concept in unionism, Accountability.
 
You forgot the A-5 passes and the pensions based on the salary reported by the Union.
You forgot about Delle getting a $500K pension payment that no one else will ever get at AMFA. He got that after doing such a great job protecting all those NWA jobs, AS jobs, and losing UA to the IBT. Over 15,000 members or more than 80% of their membership and Delle gets the golden handshake.
 

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