New TWU president talks tough against DOJ lawsuit, American Airlines layoffs, industry outsourcing

[Overspeed]

All that fuss over 4 checks done overseas? Hey Overspeed how many checks is AA sending overseas?

You don't listen. There are no engine overhaul, no landing gear overhaul, the majority of components, and most of the airframe overhaul is outsourced. Again, AA outsources the equivalent of 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul and SWA outsources about 400 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, component overhaul, and all engine overhaul.

You are comparing apples to oranges. SWA never had overhaul and AA always did. If you want to get to where SWA AMTs are on pay you have to close that gap. What is your solution to resolving the issue of over 5,000 TWU M&R that are currently working those overhaul jobs that SWA has very little of? Do we let AA outsource all that work? AA would love that.

 

[Overspeed]

NO Overspeed, AMFA does not suck, It scares the hell out of you. Gee what a concept in unionism, Accountability.

When will Delle be giving back his $500K annuity after screwing over 15,000 dues paying members? Where is the accountability? He could have advised them to take the deal and keep their jobs but I guess fighting the good fight without accountability was all Delle was in for...himself. People like you line up behind his lie that has never produced results. Ask all those laid off at NWA, all the jobs AMFA saved compared to the IAM at UA, and all those AS OAK overhaul jobs that were lost.

How many contract negotiations does AMFA have to go through until they are accountable for the SWA contract. They are going on their third negotiations. They only added the language on adding one more line of overhaul after 622 aircraft yet people like you claim it the previous union's fault.

Yes AMFA sucks. And AMFA's crappy record on jobs does scare me. They have never added jobs or protected anyone's...ever.

 

[Rogallo]

So, it's obvious that the AFMA drive is still alive!!

 

[Vortilon]

When will Delle be giving back his $500K annuity after screwing over 15,000 dues paying members? Where is the accountability? He could have advised them to take the deal and keep their jobs but I guess fighting the good fight without accountability was all Delle was in for...himself. People like you line up behind his lie that has never produced results. Ask all those laid off at NWA, all the jobs AMFA saved compared to the IAM at UA, and all those AS OAK overhaul jobs that were lost.

How many contract negotiations does AMFA have to go through until they are accountable for the SWA contract. They are going on their third negotiations. They only added the language on adding one more line of overhaul after 622 aircraft yet people like you claim it the previous union's fault.

Yes AMFA sucks. And AMFA's crappy record on jobs does scare me. They have never added jobs or protected anyone's...ever.

You're worried about Delle getting a paltry $500K? What a joke! How many lean years did Delle have while promoting an AMT union for AMTs? Nice attempt at a segue off the subject of the TWU giving away all of our pay and benefits in the last 12 years. Take your commie union and shove it!

 

[Kev3188]

Where is the accountability?

An advocate of the TWU ATD asking about accountability?

Oh, the irony!

 

[Overspeed]

You're worried about Delle getting a paltry $500K? What a joke! How many lean years did Delle have while promoting an AMT union for AMTs? Nice attempt at a segue off the subject of the TWU giving away all of our pay and benefits in the last 12 years. Take your commie union and shove it!

The issue was accountability. I merely pointed out that Delle had the opportunity to represent the most AMTs in the industry, was at the helm while over 80% of his membership lost their jobs and pensions, and then rewarded himself with a $500K annuity. That's not a segue, that's point out the fact about how much the AMFA concept sucks and provided not job protection to a very small percentage of their members.

Making $34 and hour and maintaining your pension for another nine years compared to the NWA and AS AMTs that got tossed to the street is really a no brainer. The BS that they all got jobs making the same or more money is exactly that...BS. A BLS report stated that less than 50% ever got jobs that made what they got at NWA and AS.

 

[swamt]

You don't listen. There are no engine overhaul, no landing gear overhaul, the majority of components, and most of the airframe overhaul is outsourced. Again, AA outsources the equivalent of 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul and SWA outsources about 400 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, component overhaul, and all engine overhaul.

You are comparing apples to oranges. SWA never had overhaul and AA always did. If you want to get to where SWA AMTs are on pay you have to close that gap. What is your solution to resolving the issue of over 5,000 TWU M&R that are currently working those overhaul jobs that SWA has very little of? Do we let AA outsource all that work? AA would love that.

And how many mechanics have lost their jobs at AA? And how many have lost their jobs at SWA? Compute that Overspeed. You continue to make mute points about SWA/AMFA. Yea, the founder of AMFA received a 500K retirement bonus, so what? How much has the founders of your beloved TWU received over the years? How about the ibt founder and follower? How about the IAM founder?? They all made out with a freakin a lot more than Dell received as a one time bonus at retirement. Your TWU representation has been reduced from 18,000 to approx. 8-10,000 that's more than 65%. With the up coming headcount reduction starting in 2014 and continuing into 2017 it will be more like 70-80% from the all time high. Now all these reductions in headcount at AA have all been agreed upon by your faithful TWU representation for the last 3 decades, without loosing them to another union that was just voted in, OR, by a strike that the members voted on to stop the company from reducing the headcount by over 53% (NWA). What has the TWU done to stop the headcount reductions at AA?? Nothing, absolutely nothing. For the last 3 decades the TWU has continued to agree and agree to job losses upon job losses. You are scared to death what AMFA will do for the membership at AA. You are scared to death for an AMFA election at AA. You know what will happen thru-out the airline industry if AMFA gets in at AA. YOU are the only one out here posting so much and hard against AMFA trying to save face for the TWU once a vote comes to the mechanics at AA. You post such unrealistic stories about AMFA that NO-ONE believes you any longer, NO-ONE. You have lost any and all credibility amongst anyone out here. You have even lost some of your old supporters from early on, remember them Overspeed??? Do you see them out here any more??? NO, you do not. Move on Overspeed; The TWU is done at AA one way or another. BTW- Keep posting...

 

[swamt]

The issue was accountability. I merely pointed out that Delle had the opportunity to represent the most AMTs in the industry, was at the helm while over 80% of his membership lost their jobs and pensions, and then rewarded himself with a $500K annuity. That's not a segue, that's point out the fact about how much the AMFA concept sucks and provided not job protection to a very small percentage of their members.

Making $34 and hour and maintaining your pension for another nine years compared to the NWA and AS AMTs that got tossed to the street is really a no brainer. The BS that they all got jobs making the same or more money is exactly that...BS. A BLS report stated that less than 50% ever got jobs that made what they got at NWA and AS.

Pretty sad that this is your ONLY issue for accountability with AMFA. AMFA is the most accountability mechanics union out there period. The accountability of your current union is completely laughable. Keep posting, your doing great...

 

[swamt]

Overspeed;

BTW; you keep working that flowing overtime you brag about working while your brothers and sisters are on lay-offs and rifs. You sound so proud to have the unlimited overtime while a huge number of fellow employees are out of a job because your union, the TWU, agreed to them with the company and sold it to the membership, how pathetic you are, very sad indeed...

 

[TWU informer]

When will Delle be giving back his $500K annuity after screwing over 15,000 dues paying members? Where is the accountability? He could have advised them to take the deal and keep their jobs but I guess fighting the good fight without accountability was all Delle was in for...himself. People like you line up behind his lie that has never produced results. Ask all those laid off at NWA, all the jobs AMFA saved compared to the IAM at UA, and all those AS OAK overhaul jobs that were lost.

Yes AMFA sucks. And AMFA's crappy record on jobs does scare me. They have never added jobs or protected anyone's...ever.

You are so full of crap it is beyond comprehension. The offer that was on the table at NWA was not even a "take the deal and save the jobs" vote. The deal, if ratified would have laid off just over 50% of the work force. So you think Delle or any union leader should have advocated voting yes on a contract that would lay off over 50% of the membership? That does sound like the TWU way of unionism. You are the one telling lies and believing in some kind of anti-amfa fantasy that feeds your fear. Truth be damned, you will make #### up as you go along to justify your concessions for jobs approach to the problem.

 

[TWU informer]

You don't listen. There are no engine overhaul, no landing gear overhaul, the majority of components, and most of the airframe overhaul is outsourced. Again, AA outsources the equivalent of 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul and SWA outsources about 400 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, component overhaul, and all engine overhaul.

You are comparing apples to oranges. SWA never had overhaul and AA always did. If you want to get to where SWA AMTs are on pay you have to close that gap. What is your solution to resolving the issue of over 5,000 TWU M&R that are currently working those overhaul jobs that SWA has very little of? Do we let AA outsource all that work? AA would love that.

I have a question for you smart ass. When all the new AA engine work component overhaul manuals are 100% Proprietary repairs, and TWU members cannot even have the manuals, and so all that overhaul has to be outsourced, are you still going to be living on your fantasy island of TWU success? You are so busy fighting with other AMT's in this industry you cannot see what is about to happen here at AA. We all already losing work daily due to Proprietary repair designation my engine OEM's.

 

[swamt]

You don't listen. There are no engine overhaul, no landing gear overhaul, the majority of components, and most of the airframe overhaul is outsourced. Again, AA outsources the equivalent of 150 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul and SWA outsources about 400 aircraft worth of airframe overhaul, component overhaul, and all engine overhaul.

You are comparing apples to oranges. SWA never had overhaul and AA always did. If you want to get to where SWA AMTs are on pay you have to close that gap. What is your solution to resolving the issue of over 5,000 TWU M&R that are currently working those overhaul jobs that SWA has very little of? Do we let AA outsource all that work? AA would love that.

Forgot to mention this too. BTW; We do have an engine shop that WILL be growing and expanding next year as well as our slide shops and composite shops. I was told this is tied to the AT purchase and the work load increasing. So your comments that AMFA has done nothing to create or protect jobs is a complete lie. AMFA has worked with SWA to add many jobs at SWA for many years. Matter fact since the announcement of the AT purchase SWA & AMFA has added almost 250 jobs (headcount) over the past 3 years. And over all since AMFA has taken over from the ibt, AMFA has been able to work with SWA and double the number of mechanics and headcount. ibt was here for well over 25 years and only managed to bring in 2 lines of maint. AMFA accomplished the same plus "C" Check and mod lines thru-out the system (not just DAL) in the short 8-10 years. Sooooooo, now I ask you, Overspeed, Just how many jobs or headcount has the TWU ADDED at AA over the past 3 years? Ok, 8 years? 12 years? So where is your jobs creation at AA for mechanics with the TWU??? Answer the questions Overspeed. Do not deflect as you always do. If AMFA isn't doing anything to help create jobs then why do we have so many X-AA mechanics and supervisors still coming in from your TWU saving, creating, or protecting their jobs? Remember, answer all the questions...

 

[Overspeed]

Forgot to mention this too. BTW; We do have an engine shop that WILL be growing and expanding next year as well as our slide shops and composite shops. I was told this is tied to the AT purchase and the work load increasing. So your comments that AMFA has done nothing to create or protect jobs is a complete lie. AMFA has worked with SWA to add many jobs at SWA for many years. Matter fact since the announcement of the AT purchase SWA & AMFA has added almost 250 jobs (headcount) over the past 3 years. And over all since AMFA has taken over from the ibt, AMFA has been able to work with SWA and double the number of mechanics and headcount. ibt was here for well over 25 years and only managed to bring in 2 lines of maint. AMFA accomplished the same plus "C" Check and mod lines thru-out the system (not just DAL) in the short 8-10 years. Sooooooo, now I ask you, Overspeed, Just how many jobs or headcount has the TWU ADDED at AA over the past 3 years? Ok, 8 years? 12 years? So where is your jobs creation at AA for mechanics with the TWU??? Answer the questions Overspeed. Do not deflect as you always do. If AMFA isn't doing anything to help create jobs then why do we have so many X-AA mechanics and supervisors still coming in from your TWU saving, creating, or protecting their jobs? Remember, answer all the questions...

You have brought up facts without the full context. SWA added HC at a time they were growing which is completely expected. The issue is that when you track the HC per aircraft SWA's did not add HC at the rate they should have, which means AMFA did not compel SWA's to even maintain the status quo on jobs.

Contrast that with AA where the company was shrinking the HC per aircraft was maintained at between 21 to 22 AMTs per aircraft. Yes HC did drop but so did the fleet which would naturally drive a reduction in HC.

Now let's look at BK. Yes jobs were lost however nowhere near what happened at NWA, UA, or DL. Those companies dumped anywhere from all overhaul to almost all airframe overhaul. That did not happen at AA. The TWU did a far superior job in BK mitigating job loss compared to what happened at those other airlines.

Yep, AMFA sucks on protecting jobs.

 

[TWU informer]

You have brought up facts without the full context. SWA added HC at a time they were growing which is completely expected. The issue is that when you track the HC per aircraft SWA's did not add HC at the rate they should have, which means AMFA did not compel SWA's to even maintain the status quo on jobs.

Contrast that with AA where the company was shrinking the HC per aircraft was maintained at between 21 to 22 AMTs per aircraft. Yes HC did drop but so did the fleet which would naturally drive a reduction in HC.

Now let's look at BK. Yes jobs were lost however nowhere near what happened at NWA, UA, or DL. Those companies dumped anywhere from all overhaul to almost all airframe overhaul. That did not happen at AA. The TWU did a far superior job in BK mitigating job loss compared to what happened at those other airlines.

Yep, AMFA sucks on protecting jobs.

TWU job losses are not over, Tulsa will be down to 1500-1700 within 30 months. Let's added it up then.

 

[Rogallo]

The TWU did a far superior job in BK mitigating job loss compared to what happened at those other airlines.

Initally, maybe they did.

How long have those other airlines been out of bankruptcy? Let's compare losses then!!


Nevermind, I'll probably be gone!!